They will eat out of my hands and kiss my feet.
I will become the First Woman President of the United States.
Now, if I create some disgruntled democrats
along the way, who cares.
Posted on 12/20/2004 7:43:46 AM PST by television is just wrong
Conservatives critical of President Bush's "liberal" stance on immigration are praising Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's position on the issue.
Before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Bush and Mexico President Vicente Fox were working together on a plan to legalize the millions of foreign workers who sneak into the country across the 1,900-mile border with Mexico.
Since Nov. 2 when Bush increased his support in both red and blue states, Sen. Clinton has been staking out a conservative position on immigration.
Evidently, her plan is to tap into a feeling by most Americans that illegal immigration is a sizable national problem that should not be ignored.
"I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants," Sen. Clinton said during a radio interview.
When Clinton said, "People have to stop employing illegal immigrants," she could have been giving advice to Bernard Kerik, Bush's nominee to be Secretary of Homeland Security.
Kerik, tapped by Bush to be one of the top law enforcement and security officials in the nation, had hired a housekeeper who was in the United States illegally. Not only was Kerik's housekeeper breaking the law, so was Kerik for hiring her.
It is illegal to hire illegal immigrants. The law is seldom enforced because Congress has been too timid to establish a reliable method for employers to identify citizens from noncitizens or legal from illegal workers.
Illegal immigrants have no problem becoming documented workers. It is easier for illegal immigrants to obtain some form of false identification sufficient to let employers off the hook than it is for underage college students to get phony IDs to buy booze.
Sen. Clinton's husband experienced an embarrassment similar to Bush's when he nominated Zoe Baird to be attorney general only to discover that she had hired an illegal immigrant to be a housekeeper and nanny. The same happened to Bush in 2001 with his nominee for labor secretary, Linda Chavez.
There has been talk about the need for the IRS to simplify the forms so employers can file and pay taxes for illegal immigrant workers. That might eliminate the tax problems but not the status of workers illegally hired.
The key to enforcing employer sanctions against hiring illegal immigrants will have to be some form of national standards to reliably identify citizens from noncitizens. That is the same key needed to implement and enforce Bush's proposed guest-worker program. If we can't reliably tell who is legal and who is illegal, then the U.S. immigration laws will remain an unenforceable joke no matter how many Americans think illegal immigration is a serious problem.
It is on this point that Congress goes wobbly even when the obvious answer is presented to it on a platter as it was in four reports between 1994 and 1997 when Barbara Jordan, chair of the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform, testified that her commission's unanimous recommendation was for a standardized, counterfeit-resistant identification system.
Jordan's bipartisan and diverse commission concluded that this nation must enforce its laws. To do so, Congress had to authorize a national identification system.
Sen. Clinton has hinted at the same solution. She has talked about an entry and exit ID and "a move towards an ID system even for citizens."
There's no question that the United States needs and depends on the labor of foreign workers. And there's no question that many illegal foreign workers are taken advantage of.
What needs to be done is to protect foreign workers and also restore America's rule of law. Since 9/11 there's also national security to consider. Maybe Sen. Clinton has a winning issue.
-- Rowland Nethaway writes for The Waco (Texas) Tribune-Herald.
...Hillary will not be of help on this issue. She is only taking that stand to further her cause. (SOCIALISM)
"You're absolutely right about that. Besides, I might vote for a goat, but not for a snake like Hitlery :-D"
Exactly why I posted this article. It is important to show her for what she really is. However that does not diminish the fact we need to do something about illegal immigration.
I've written countless emails and letters to the president and to congress on this issue...I'm delighted that Hillary is picking up this "ball" and running with it...HOPEFULLY Rove will tell the president he needs to pay attention....if not...
Well border security is more important to me than who is in the whitehouse...its the way the next terrorist attack will source from.
His reply? That people are dying in the desert to get here, that the Border Patrol should only be there to catch "crooks", not "workers", and that they only come to do the jobs Americans won't do.
The President of the United States.
Blaming this country, it's people, for the choices of the people of another country, when they chose to break our laws.
Insulting this country, it's people, by saying that they consider some work beneath them. Like we're all plantation owners, sipping mint juleps on the porch.
Blame America First. The standard line of the Communist Left. Spouted by the self absorbed spawn of the pampered rich.
Did he blame the thugs and criminals that make up Mexico's government? No. He blames us. Says we have to change, not them.
Did he blame the individuals themselves that do these crimes? No. He blames us. Says we have to change, not them.
For all of you idiots on this forum that still worship this deluded little prick, I say Go To Hell. I just watched the President of the United States spit on America.
And I'm sick of it.
Here's how I see it:
Hillary pretends to be conservative on this issue and rides it to victory. Of course she will never make good on any of her faux-conservative positions. We Lose.
Hillary runs with this issue and loses. Rove and the country club Republicans makes the case that illegal immigration is a loser issue and relegate people calling for enforcement as xenophobes, racists, nationalists, etc. Again we lose.
Now, if I create some disgruntled democrats
along the way, who cares.
How true.
While this *sounds* very good, you are aware that this is only a *voluntary* program that employers *may* use.
Did he blame the thugs and criminals that make up Mexico's government? No. He blames us. Says we have to change, not them.
Did he blame the individuals themselves that do these crimes? No. He blames us. Says we have to change, not them.
Maybe he's confused and thinks that he's now President of Mexico.
Or maybe he thinks none of this stuff about illegal entry, congestion, crime, terrorism, homeland security, destroying teenage and other labor markets, pressure on local budgets, schools, and communities, language Balkanization, Mexican irredentism and so forth is as important as some of his campaign contributors getting their labor costs to the absolute minimum possible with unlimited docile un-unionized and undocumented foreign workers, and letting taxpayers struggle to make up the difference.
He sure talks like that's what he thinks.
Dittos from Encinitas CA
"Hello Hillary, Hasta Jose"
-- My bumper sticker in 2008
The RINOOBLs had better get a clue about the electoral time bomb they're ignoring. If the Bush amnesty is passed this year, Hillary could very well win in 2008.
(Yes, amnesty. "Guest worker" translates as "amnistia" in Mexico, and that is where it matters. Each amnistia brings a new tsunami of illegals, awaiting Uncle Sam's next amntistia.)
Not enough to be a concern. The big danger is in the middle, with voters who pay attention every four years.
The President could avoid Hillary's trap and a big fight within the GOP simply by incorporating aspects of Tom Tancredo's guest worker proposal into an overall immigration reform package. Reports that the White House is looking to McCain and possibly Ted Kennedy to nurture support for legalizing illegal aliens in the Senate are worrisome. It's all upside for Hillary to triangulate against Kennedy and Bush in such a scenario.
LOL......wonder how many years/sessions that will take ???
Obviously if the idiots in DC were serious about catching millions of illegal employers, this would have been mandatory LAST YEAR.
I don't know about that, but Dreier has been very strong recently. He is supporting the Sensenbrenner legislation on drivers licenses for illegal aliens in the next session, and also said that Joe Lieberman's opposition to cracking down on those licenses made him unsuited for DHS Secretary when his name was being floated.
OTH Dreier in the past has expressed support for guest worker legalizations of illegal aliens. It will be interesting to see if he still does.
I can't see the Republican base moving to someone like Hillary. I can see her losing a lot of the illegal vote though.
Excellent comments and insight!
This President stands up for America better than any in recent memory "over there." It's here that worries me.
As others have pointed out. We have laws.
I would urge we demand that Congress provide an ironclad guarantee that they'd force the executive branch to enforce any new laws! Better, give ordinary citizens standing, I believe it's called, so we could use the courts to protect Our Nation of Laws.
IMO the problem is the pro-"cheap" labor, anti-nation of laws crowd. The greed-related thinking impaired. Even if they were exempted from business-killing regulations and taxes they'd still hire "cheap" labor.
Waving flags they send Americans off to risk life and limb defending them and theirs. Waving job applications of ILLEGAL aliens-cum-guest workers they send those very same Americans returning from battle off somewhere else to look for work.
The business and private interests who do this are useful idiots.
But why does President Bush do it? The President is truthful when he says it's NOT amnesty.
I sincerely believe as stated above that this is part of globalization. Mirgrant labor (a developing country's economic diaspora) is as much a part of globalization as "free trade" transfer of wealth to developing countries. The mainline of both Parties want it.
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