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Jail Ship Proposal Criticised
The Daily Telegraph ^ | Dec. 20, 2004 | John Crowley

Posted on 12/19/2004 5:44:19 PM PST by bruinbirdman

Plans to use a moored ship on the Thames as a prison were criticised last night by human rights groups.

The Metropolitan Police said it would decide before the New Year whether to use HMP Weare, currently berthed at Portland, Dorset, to tackle overcrowding in cells.

The proposals would see inmates who had been arrested or on remand being held temporarily on board the ship.

However, the Labour MP Andrew Mackinlay said the plan raised human rights issues after prison inspectors described the vessel as "unacceptably cramped".

"It's indicative of some of the confused thinking and poor decision making which has become a hallmark of the senior management of the Met in recent times," he said.

"The reasons why such a proposal was rejected by the Home Office a few years ago remain today."

Enver Solomon, of the Prison Reform Trust, also expressed concern over the plan.

"Our position has always been that the Weare is completely inappropriate to hold prisoners," he said. "If the Metropolitan Police wants to consider using it to hold people overnight or for short periods, that's their decision.

"But the verdict of the Chief Inspector of Prisons was that it was totally inadequate."

HMP Weare was originally a troop ship in the Falklands war before becoming a floating jail in America.

The Government purchased it in 1997 as a temporary measure to ease overcrowding and intended to close it in 2000. It now holds 400 inmates.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: thames

1 posted on 12/19/2004 5:44:19 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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described the vessel as "unacceptably cramped".

Isn't it amazing how ships that housed sailors serving the United Kingdom's navy , and at times, risking their lives in protection of the United Kingdom are not fit to house those who's purpose has been to steal or worse from that same kingdom?

2 posted on 12/19/2004 5:48:58 PM PST by LoneSome Journey
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I had this idea years ago. Why not use some of these mothballed troop carriers, refit them for use, fill them up with hard cases and anchor them several miles off the coast?


3 posted on 12/19/2004 5:50:55 PM PST by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: LoneSome Journey

Yep, makes you long for the days when the murderous scum of society never complained about gaol crowding while awaiting their appointment to swing from the yardarm.


4 posted on 12/19/2004 5:52:07 PM PST by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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while awaiting their appointment to swing from the yardarm.

,,, or being shipped to Australia.

5 posted on 12/19/2004 5:55:33 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: bruinbirdman

i always thought the mexican border would make a good place for a 50-state prison.

ocean to ocean, from the pacific to the gulf of mexico.

if an occasional escape were to be made, the weakest link should be on the south side, into mexico.


6 posted on 12/19/2004 5:56:55 PM PST by ken21 (kerrycide = running 4 president on treasonous service in vietnam)
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To: lancer
fill them up with hard cases and anchor them several miles off the coast

Hmmm

A floating version of Gitmo.

Sounds interesting.

7 posted on 12/19/2004 5:58:20 PM PST by Freebird Forever (MERRY CHRISTMAS !!!)
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To: shaggy eel

Ah . . . Australians! Selected by the finest judges in England.


8 posted on 12/19/2004 6:01:56 PM PST by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: bruinbirdman

Done we have a Carrier that just got de-commissioned?


9 posted on 12/19/2004 6:03:49 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: lancer
Why not use some of these mothballed troop carriers, refit them for use, fill them up with hard cases and anchor them several miles off the coast?

And use them for target practice ;-)

10 posted on 12/19/2004 6:07:57 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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Keeping prisoners in old ships on the Thames, called hulks, is a fine old English tradition. The masts, rigging and everything else that made it go were removed and the rest used as a prison. Conditions ranged from hellish to fatal, which given the skyrocketing crime rate in Old Blighty, ought to be just about right.


11 posted on 12/19/2004 6:09:42 PM PST by Pilsner
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we've been doing it in newyorkcity for YEARS!!! course they are barges not ships but the same idea
12 posted on 12/19/2004 6:16:25 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©® - Dubya... F**K YEAH!!!)
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To: LoneSome Journey

If and when they riot, pull the plugs and watch the riot gurgle to an end. The loud bubbling stops in a few days.


13 posted on 12/19/2004 6:51:20 PM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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---there is an excellent chapter on the "hulks" and how conditions were aboard them in a book entitled The Fatal Shore. One of the first preparations for the prisoner was the installation of a 12-16 pound shackle on the ankle--it discouraged swimming as a means of escape--
14 posted on 12/19/2004 6:53:14 PM PST by rellimpank
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Labour MP Andrew Mackinlay said the plan raised human rights issues after prison inspectors described the vessel as "unacceptably cramped".

Must have been a Royal Caribbean Cruise.

15 posted on 12/19/2004 7:41:10 PM PST by WideGlide (That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
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There's gotta be room in one of these places:

United Kingdom Dependent Territories


16 posted on 12/19/2004 7:49:27 PM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Bush & Congress to stop their massive Islamic immigration.)
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To: rellimpank

There was a scene in Charles Dicken's Great Expectations where two convicts escaped from a prison hulk. Not sure how they escaped with a 16lb weight, maybe that was a later innovation.


17 posted on 12/19/2004 8:21:50 PM PST by Timocrat (I Emanate on your Auras and Penumbras Mr Blackmun)
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