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"All Democrats are united around the idea that we should make abortion safe, legal, and rare..."

This seems to be the only right guaranteed by the Constitution that certain folks wish to make 'rare'...

1 posted on 12/19/2004 10:04:12 AM PST by Libloather
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"This seems to be the only right guaranteed by the Constitution that certain folks wish to make 'rare.'"

Indeed. I guess liberals figure it's a natural right only women can enjoy, under certain circumstances, given the realities of the political landscape and the phase of the moon.

You know how liberals love to squawk about "rights."

2 posted on 12/19/2004 10:06:29 AM PST by Reactionary
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To: Libloather

Killing them softly?


3 posted on 12/19/2004 10:06:33 AM PST by Mike Darancette (RICE '08)
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To: Libloather

--just like gun control---


4 posted on 12/19/2004 10:08:24 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: Libloather

They're not going to be able to maintain this protective coloration in the act of opposing Bush's Supreme Court nominees. They're going to have to pull out all the "pro-choice" stops to keep their base appeased.


5 posted on 12/19/2004 10:08:57 AM PST by John Jorsett
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Looks like the talking point memo went out.

From http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041219/OPINION01/412190316/1056/NEWS09

Yepsen: Welcome pro-life Democrats
By DAVID YEPSEN
DES MOINES REGISTER COLUMNIST
December 19, 2004

A new organization of anti-abortion Democrats is forming in Iowa. Their goal is to make being a pro-lifer acceptable in that party again.

Democrats for Life is recruiting members at the Statehouse, and hopes to begin building a grass-roots operation at county and precinct levels in the coming months, organizers said last week. Senate Democratic president Jack Kibbie of Emmetsburg said "we ought to be a big tent and allow everybody in. Being pro-life is more than just the abortion issue."

If successful, the group could prove helpful in electing more pro-life Democratic state legislators and candidates to congressional and statewide offices in Iowa. It could also be beneficial to state economic-development director Mike Blouin's potential bid for governor in 2006.

Blouin has long been a pro-lifer, but has said one impediment to his running is whether his party would accept such a candidate for governor. Last week, he said he hadn't heard of this new effort, but won't consider his gubernatorial options until after the 2005 legislative session where he's trying to win passage of important economic-development legislation.

For years, the Iowa Democratic party has been solidly pro-choice. It wasn't always that way. The late governor and senator Harold Hughes was strongly anti-abortion. Over the years many anti-abortion Democrats, especially from Iowa's more heavily Roman Catholic or evangelical areas, have felt increasingly alienated from their party over this issue. Some even became Republicans.

The Democratic "tent" hasn't been as big as some Democrats would like to believe. That's been costly, and Republicans have welcomed the votes of these "Reagan Democrats." While some pro-choice Republicans left their party over this issue, the trade-off seems to have netted the GOP more.

(Polls show there are more pro-choice people than pro-lifers, but it's also true there are more single-issue pro-life voters than single-issue pro-choice ones. Advantage: Republicans.)

At the same time, these pro-life Democrats haven't been totally comfortable with the GOP or its candidates. For these Democrats, the abortion issue isn't just about a right to be born, it's also about the right to have a decent quality of life. It's why they're big on health care for kids and education programs and oppose the death penalty, positions Republicans often don't champion.

The 2004 election changed some Democratic thinking. At the national level, Democrats watched as Republicans captured a majority of votes of people most concerned about moral values. "As a wedge issue, this has helped Republicans tremendously," Kibbie said. "I don't want to see our party get narrowed down to a pro-choice party."

Also, in Iowa, one reason Democrats picked up legislative seats is that some candidates they ran were anti-abortion in districts where many voters hold similar views. While that upset the pro-choicers, it proved a successful political strategy for legislative Democratic leaders, some of whom are also anti-abortion.

Organizers of Democrats for Life hope to broaden the debate beyond whether abortion should be restricted to include some of these other quality-of-life issues. They hope to reach out to Republican pro-lifers to convince them it's time to worry as much about health care and education as they do about repealing Roe vs. Wade.

Few issues are as vexing as this one. While most politicians agree abortion is horrible and should be discouraged, there is passionate disagreement over just how coercive the government should be in trying to do that.

It's good to see a group form to bring another point of view to this debate, one that says if society is going to try and force women to bear unwanted children, we'd also better do things to make those children more wanted.

The right to life is more than just a right to be born.

6 posted on 12/19/2004 10:10:28 AM PST by Libloather (Big Media news anchors are as worthless as male nipples...)
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Sorry...all Democrats and those who vote for pro-abortion Democrats are accessories to countless murders...I for on will NOT forget!


7 posted on 12/19/2004 10:11:44 AM PST by Lurking2Long
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8 posted on 12/19/2004 10:12:15 AM PST by StrictTime ("The wrong shall fail, the right prevail/ With peace on earth, good will to men")
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Yes, that's what the Democrats need, better subterfuge.


11 posted on 12/19/2004 10:13:08 AM PST by MisterRepublican ("I must go. I must be elusive.")
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To: Libloather

Nah, the Evil Dums are going to start a campaign for more HUMANE abortions. doncha know.


12 posted on 12/19/2004 10:16:51 AM PST by marty60
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To: Libloather

People will not be that stupid. The Dems won't be fooling anybody.


14 posted on 12/19/2004 10:22:20 AM PST by bushinohio
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I have to go to the annual family Christmas party in about two hours. I was banned from giving gifts several years ago and all other rules are imposed by my sister in law for various reason including the one that we can't talk politics. She and my brother are supposedly prolife and definitely Democrats. I say supposedly because they are such yellow dog democrats and I cannot believe it is at all compatible. My other brother and his wife although not particularly prolife are huge Bush fans.


15 posted on 12/19/2004 10:25:58 AM PST by Mercat (I know my Redeemer lives)
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To: Libloather
No prominent Democrat has suggested that the party change its long-held stance that a woman should have the right to an abortion if she chooses

Then the party hasn't changed it's position. Actually it can't change it's position and still survive, because a large percentage of it's supporters have made abortion "rights" the litmus test for supporting a candidate.

OTOH, the GOP can't change it's position either because of the same situation in reverse. But I think it's more likely that the Republican leadership will try hard to change that position because most of the old line eastern establishment Republicans who are big contributors to Republican candidates and the party want abortion kept legal and readily available. IMO if they get their way it will be the end of the Republican comeback that began with Reagan's administration.

16 posted on 12/19/2004 10:36:19 AM PST by epow (1911A1, the pink bunny of pistols)
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I don't believe in these semi-mythical "pro life Democrats". I think they're fakers who say that while they don't like abortion, they still think it should be "between a woman and her doctor". You here that often from Democrats. This is the "safe, legal, and rare" crowd. I'll believe it when I see them cast important votes in opposition to abortion, or if I see them sponsor pro life legislation. Their feelings on the issue don't matter. I want to see how they vote.

In short, it isn't enough for them to say that they don't like abortion. They have to put their money where their mouths are.

19 posted on 12/19/2004 10:41:15 AM PST by Batrachian
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In other words "lets tolerate these misguided folks who cherish life for there vote. They can have a seat at the table but don't you dare open your mouth. And if you are good we will let you talk when elections role around"
20 posted on 12/19/2004 10:41:54 AM PST by coffee260
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In other words "lets tolerate these misguided folks who cherish life for there vote. They can have a seat at the table but don't you dare open your mouth. And if you are good we will let you talk when elections role around"
21 posted on 12/19/2004 10:42:14 AM PST by coffee260
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To: Libloather
This seems to be the only right guaranteed by the Constitution that certain folks wish to make 'rare'...

What about the right to free speech, and the right to bare arms? They want to make those "rare" too.

22 posted on 12/19/2004 10:43:05 AM PST by NeoCaveman (There is no dufu but DUFU and PJ Comix is it's author)
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quandary bump


25 posted on 12/19/2004 10:49:17 AM PST by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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"All Democrats are united around the idea that we should make abortion safe, legal, and rare..."
Would someone PLEASE explain to me, if killing your child in the womb is right, why should they be rare?
I believe that they KNOW it is murder and just don't care.
26 posted on 12/19/2004 10:50:21 AM PST by GrandEagle
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Now the ruse begins. The Democrats are Confidence men. Con men and Con women. They will now try to creat an illusion that they don't believe what they do believe and convince people that they believe what they do not. They are doing it in the open light of day. Their musings on the subject as to how they can fool us to get back into power. They are liars and murderers. It is like asking us to believe Osama binladen that he now is going to be more tolerent of Americans. At least binladen has his convictions. The Democrats will say or do anything to reacquire power. Their biggest tool is the same as for lawyers...it is the lie. It is the major tool in their tool box and they use it each and every day and in every way. Remember in communist doctrine the dialect materialism? Same with democrats. Do not take your eye off of the ball. They are shapeshifters of politics. If you forget that you will be their victim. Other than that democrats are are just like any other communist.


29 posted on 12/19/2004 10:59:38 AM PST by Texas Songwriter (p)
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Representative Louise Slaughter, a New York Democrat who strongly supports abortion rights

You cannot make stuff like this up. Well you can but its hard to make it believable.

32 posted on 12/19/2004 11:45:39 AM PST by xp38
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