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A Republican hero, but was Abe Lincoln gay?
Guardian / The Observer ^ | December 19, 2004 | Paul Harris

Posted on 12/19/2004 6:19:45 AM PST by TFine80

It is news guaranteed to make many Republicans squirm. Was Abraham Lincoln, founder of the party now seeking a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage in America, actually gay himself?

A new book, published next month, certainly thinks so. The Intimate World of Abraham Lincoln by C.A. Tripp produces evidence that one of America's greatest Presidents had a long-term relationship with a youthful friend, Joshua Speed, and shared his bed with David Derickson, captain of his bodyguards.

Tripp, a former researcher for sex scientist Alfred Kinsey and an influential gay writer, includes asides by many of Lincoln's close friends. 'He was not very fond of girls, as he seemed to me,' his stepmother, Sarah Bush Lincoln, once told a friend.

It also includes a diary excerpt by one upper-class Washington woman who wrote of Derickson: 'There is a Bucktail soldier here devoted to the President, drives with him, and when Mrs L is not home, sleeps with him. What stuff!'

Scholars have long debated Lincoln's sexuality, and as early as the 1920s were making veiled references to his relationship with Speed. However, critics say that in the pioneer days men sleeping together in rough circumstances was not uncommon.

Now Tripp has discovered letters between Lincoln and Speed which supposedly betray a deep intimacy.

But Tripp's book really breaks new ground in its exhaustive portrayal of many of Lincoln's possible gay lovers, including one man who said Lincoln's thighs 'were as perfect as a human being could be'.

'Make no mistake - Abe Lincoln was gay,' said Professor Scott Thompson, from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts.

But David Donald, a Harvard professor and respected Lincoln biographer, has disputed Tripp's findings in his own book, We Are Lincoln Men, published last year, and says there is no definitive proof of Lincoln having affairs with any men.


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To: Trueredstater

Chelsea Clinton looks just like Web Hubble.


41 posted on 12/19/2004 7:27:59 AM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: TFine80
Tripp, a former researcher for sex scientist Alfred Kinsey and an influential gay writer, ...

There's all you need to know. His credibility is zero as far as I am concerned.

42 posted on 12/19/2004 7:28:10 AM PST by GenXFreedomFighter (So he smirks. So do I. What of it?)
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To: Great Prophet Zarquon

Good shot.


43 posted on 12/19/2004 7:30:12 AM PST by squarebarb
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To: squirt-gun

Tripp died earlier this year but he left his pack of lies and innuendo as testimony of his twisted mind.

And what about a book of Bill Clinton:

"Democratic Hero, but also a rapist and a perjurer"

or about Jimmy Carter:

"Democratic Hero, but a failed President and American Traitor"...and so on and so on.


44 posted on 12/19/2004 7:30:53 AM PST by Embraer2004
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To: xp38

Thanks for the history lesson. I hope you could see the sarcasm in my original post.


45 posted on 12/19/2004 7:31:14 AM PST by silent_jonny (It's CHRISTmas, not Xmas!!!)
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To: Gorzaloon
Re # 33

I don't care what anyone does privately; It's none of my business, unless they insist on telling me about it. Then it's my business.

Well, perhaps. But sodomy from a medical and financial standpoint impacts every taxpayer as we all have to pay for the enormous medical costs of deviant homosexual behavior.

Its may be a religious problem for some but its a financial problem for everyone who pays taxes.

46 posted on 12/19/2004 7:34:47 AM PST by squirt-gun
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To: TFine80

Lincoln was not gay, and why don't the Democrats stay out of Republicans Bedrooms anyway?


47 posted on 12/19/2004 7:35:19 AM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Merry "Christ"mas Liberals!)
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To: silent_jonny

Yes. Btw did you or anyone else hear that the Republican party is 150 years old this year?


48 posted on 12/19/2004 7:35:42 AM PST by xp38
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To: TFine80
Blasphemers!
49 posted on 12/19/2004 7:36:41 AM PST by Jaysun (I'm pleased to report that Arafat's condition remains stable.)
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To: xp38
No, I didn't know that. The MSM must've deemed it unworthy to mention.
50 posted on 12/19/2004 7:37:34 AM PST by silent_jonny (It's CHRISTmas, not Xmas!!!)
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To: Mad Mammoth; stainlessbanner
So it was worth 600,000 lives to preserve the Union? Esp. when preserving the Union through force when the Confederate states had LAWFULLY and PEACEFULLY seceded was not Constitutional. If you believe that you are just as blood thirsty a tyrant as he was.

It's on!
51 posted on 12/19/2004 7:44:16 AM PST by Red Phillips
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To: You Dirty Rats
The Constitution requires no minimum threshold for what justifies secession. The causes of Southern secession were many. The precipitating event was Lincoln's election. But why isn't losing an election, when you see the victor as a threat, just as good a reason as any other. Wouldn't you be happy if all the blue states seceded and went to Canada. I would be ecstatic. Seems any "conservatives" who failed to see the wisdom of secession before the election should certainly see it now. One thing is for sure. No blue stater in his right mind would go to war to keep them in. I say good riddance.
52 posted on 12/19/2004 7:50:50 AM PST by Red Phillips
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To: ken21

"...if hillary is gay?..."

I don't give a darn who was gay in past centuries. T'was before the 21stCentury's aggressive Gay activist offensive war upon American society (ref:Michael Swift's Gay manifesto)!

Just because Hillary Clinton is supported by quasi lesbian/feminists cults doesn't prove she is a lesbian.
To them, Hillary is an idol.

When first, um, er, "lady", her staff was composed of known lesbians, but that does not prove that she is one. Both Hillary and Bill Clinton pandered to radical pro-homosexual activism and homosexual "exclusive rights" groups. Clintons' pander for political advantage. For political expediency, the Clintons' will scrape the bottom, literary and figuratively.

The point being: there is more evidence in their respective historical contexts that Hillary is a lesbian than Lincoln was gay.

Homosexuals justify homosexuality by attributing GAY to nearly all dead notable persons who are too-long dead to refute unsubstantiated accusations.

However, Hillary is quite alive and open to accusations of "guilt by association."

Refer to:

"U.S. Senate Candidate Hillary Clinton speaks to the
Gay and Lesbian Independent Democrats
March 8, 2000, New York City, Lesbian and Gay Community Services Center" www.sorenson-usa.com


53 posted on 12/19/2004 7:53:39 AM PST by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: purpleland

"Homosexuals justify homosexuality by attributing GAY to nearly all dead notable persons who are too-long dead to refute unsubstantiated accusations."

exactly.


54 posted on 12/19/2004 7:55:35 AM PST by ken21 (kerrycide = running 4 president on treasonous service in vietnam)
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To: TFine80

It never stops. Go ahead you wanta be liberal Republicans, who don't want to hurt the feelings of sexual perverts and have all of your historical icons be remade in the homosexual image legalize gay marriage and civil unions make them feel at home in the party. It doesn't affect you or or your children or history. Go ahead and celebrate gay day at school with your kids maybe you will get lucky and they will think they are gay too, just like Abe Lincoln.


55 posted on 12/19/2004 8:06:26 AM PST by Ma3lst0rm
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To: AQGeiger

Just curious, but what was so horrible about his wife?"

She was addicted to paregoric (a mixture of opium and alcohol) that turned her into a whining, complaining, B/witch, that had screaming, and fist flying fits at a drop of a hat at any time any place.
She would spend money as if it grew on trees, and if hubby had to talk to her she would make him pay for it in a number of ways. One example being that she would belittle him, and embarrass him in front of others for payback.


56 posted on 12/19/2004 8:06:59 AM PST by GottaLuvAkitas1 (Ronald Reagan is the TRUE "Father Of Our Country".)
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To: squirt-gun

Its also a good taste problem. It doesn't take religion to express disgust at what is a clearly deviant behavior. The anal cavity will never be a vagina and placing sexual equipment there is first unhealthy and second revolting to anyone with a non distorted sense of sexuality.


57 posted on 12/19/2004 8:10:53 AM PST by Ma3lst0rm
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To: TFine80
If homosexuality is normal to liberals, why do they still use the "queer tag" to disparage those who they want to harm? I think it's sufficient honor to Abe Lincoln to say he was not an American-hating Democrat.

Muleteam1

58 posted on 12/19/2004 8:17:07 AM PST by Muleteam1
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To: Ma3lst0rm
re # 57

It doesn't take religion to express disgust at what is a clearly deviant behavior.

The MSM has always portrayed what they have called "Homophobics" as religious people...i.e. stupid, uneducated, hillbillies.

From a medical standpoint, AIDS and the financial burden to all normal people who pay for this deviancy is simple to understand.

Capillaries are close to the surface in the anus...as opposed to the vagina. Nature (or God if you like)designed the anus as an out-door only and when used as a faux vagina, the capillaries can easily break and there is a blood (and disease) transfer.

And with that, I will pass up lunch.

59 posted on 12/19/2004 8:27:37 AM PST by squirt-gun
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To: TFine80

In Lincoln's time, "gay" meant happy. So? I'm sure he was gay sometimes.

To disrespect Abraham Lincoln all these years later is disgusting. Although, look at FDR and JFK. Both of them are held in high regard for Democrats and just look at their lack of morals when it came to their own wives.


60 posted on 12/19/2004 8:30:19 AM PST by MoJo2001 (Operation Valentine's Day ---Begins January 1st - January 21st..www.proudpatriots.com)
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