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‘The People vs. Michael M.’ [Christians jailed in Philadelphia]
delcotimes.com. ^ | 12/17/2004 | Gil Spencer

Posted on 12/18/2004 5:58:54 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K

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What are gays and non-believers so threatened by? Where is the tolerance they so demand from others? And what are the police thinking? Just because someone invokes the name of Jesus doesn’t mean their civil rights can be brushed aside. Marcavage has every bit as much right to non-violently spout his religious views as gays have the right to publicly celebrate their homosexuality.

Exactly!

1 posted on 12/18/2004 5:58:54 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
What are gays and non-believers so threatened by?

They know in their hearts he is correct when he warns them about the consequences of their sins, and what will happen to them should they continue to defy the Almighty.

2 posted on 12/18/2004 6:10:45 PM PST by SkyPilot
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By the reminder that they are not in a right relationship with God. We sometimes try to change God's rules so that our behavior becomes less sinful in our minds. But His word and His laws are eternal. His standards do not change and His law is intended to illustrate our need for His grace. I've been a counselor for years and see much of this behavior on an individual and group basis. Sad...
3 posted on 12/18/2004 6:16:22 PM PST by trailboss800
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
What are gays and non-believers so threatened by? Where is the tolerance they so demand from others? And what are the police thinking? Just because someone invokes the name of Jesus doesn’t mean their civil rights can be brushed aside. Marcavage has every bit as much right to non-violently spout his religious views as gays have the right to publicly celebrate their homosexuality.

Why would you expect enemies to love you ?

4 posted on 12/18/2004 6:18:05 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: DirtyHarryY2K; SkyPilot
Since being carted off to a mental ward at the direction of Temple University officials five years ago, says Shields, "He’s gotten smart. He doesn’t do these things without a (video) production company with him."

Overall, the article is very fair towards Mr. Marcavage. However, the above section from the article can bring about the wrong impression about him. The incident at Temple University that he was involved in is mentioned in this article, which I have excerpted below. It could explain why the request for an emergency injunction against the City of Phildelphia's proceedings against the "Philly 11" was rejected by the District Court.

Eighty years ago the Soviet Union developed a novel method of dealing with dissenters: it labeled them insane and committed them to mental institutions. A Temple University student contends that his school resorted to these very tactics in response to his objections to a school-sponsored performance of a play that depicts Jesus as a promiscuous homosexual.

Michael Marcavage filed suit against Temple University in December 2000 for a an incident in which he alleges that University officials censored an event he had organized, roughed him up, and involuntarily committed him to the psychiatric ward of the school's hospital. His only offense, he claims, was to organize an event to counter a play that mocks Christianity.

The civil rights suit was filed in the U.S. District Court in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania and contends that the plaintiff's First, Fourth, and Fourteenth Amendment rights were violated. The defendants in the suit are Temple University, its vice president for operations, William Bergman, and its managing director of campus safety services, Carl Bittenbender. Attorneys for the plaintiff include lawyers for the American Family Association's Center for Law and Policy....

During a contentious meeting on November 2, 1999-less than a week before the planned event was to take place-Temple vice president William Bergman called Marcavage into his office to inform him that the university was not permitting him to hold his program. Following a discussion, a disgusted Marcavage retreated to the restroom, threw water on his face, and asked God for direction about what to do next. God, however, had little to do with what then happened....

Marcavage's suit states that Temple Vice President "[William] Bergman pounded on the [bathroom] door and demanded that [Marcavage] come out." Marcavage then opened the door and was physically forced by Bergman to return to his office. "Once back in Bergman's office," the suit details, "Bergman, suddenly and without warning, pushed [Marcavage] down into a chair…. alarmed and afraid by Bergman's use of force, [Marcavage] told Bergman he wanted to leave. Bergman said no." Marcavage then asked to use the phone, a request that was also rebuffed. Realizing that these officials had no right to keep him against his will, Marcavage attempted to leave. The legal brief reports that the "Plaintiff then arose from the chair and was tripped to the floor by Bergman. As Plaintiff raised himself off the floor, he was forced onto a couch and held down by Bergman and Bittenbender. Plaintiff's repeated pleas to be released were refused."

Uniformed Temple Police then arrived and were ordered to handcuff Marcavage, who "was then carried out of the building and placed into a police car." The police refused to divulge to the student why he was being arrested or where he was going. "Shortly thereafter, Plaintiff was taken to the Emergency Crisis Center at Temple University Hospital against his will." The Christian student was then held in the psychiatric ward for more than three hours. Doctors examining him concluded that nothing was wrong with him and finally released him at 3:15 p.m....

5 posted on 12/18/2004 6:25:03 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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Why would you expect enemies to love you ?

The issue here is tolerance, and 1st amendment rights, and "hate crime" legislation. These protesters face 47 years in the cooler simply because of their religious beliefs.

6 posted on 12/18/2004 6:27:47 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (Perversion is not a civil right.)
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I was mistaken. The appeal was made to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals, according to this press release. It still could partially explain why the emergency appeal was rejected.
7 posted on 12/18/2004 6:31:04 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Bump to self


8 posted on 12/18/2004 6:32:47 PM PST by FierceKulak (Only the dead have seen the end of war)
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To: LiteKeeper

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1304350/posts?page=5#5

SPOTREPS

Video from incident mentioned in thread.

http://www.afa.net/clp/videos/philly11.wmv


9 posted on 12/18/2004 6:39:13 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

bttt


10 posted on 12/18/2004 6:39:53 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

This is absolutely insane.


11 posted on 12/18/2004 6:42:53 PM PST by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: gohot

Yeah, lets go bust'em out!


13 posted on 12/18/2004 6:44:48 PM PST by KoRn
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

It seems the black flag is getting closer to the top and the baying of the hounds grows ever louder.


14 posted on 12/18/2004 6:45:04 PM PST by Ajnin
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To: Pyro7480
From Your link...

Philadelphia, PA - The Third Circuit Court of Appeals today denied an emergency appeal by eleven Christians who allege that the Philadelphia District Attorney’s office retaliated against them for exercising their constitutional rights during a homosexual event that celebrated the “National Coming Out Day.” The Philadelphia 11, the group arrested at the coming out event dubbed “Outfest,” were charged with three (3) felonies and five (5) misdemeanors. Among the felony charges were Criminal Conspiracy, Ethnic Intimidation and Riot.

The Philadelphia 11 were placed in handcuffs when Chief James Tiano, liaison between the police department and the homosexual community, ordered the group to relocate to the outskirts of the Outfest event. A few moments prior to their arrest, the group was told by another Philadelphia police officer that because they were on a public sidewalk they were permitted to move freely through the event. The Philadelphia 11 faces a maximum penalty of forty-seven (47) years each in jail.

15 posted on 12/18/2004 6:45:50 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (Perversion is not a civil right.)
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In case you're wondering why this article published by a small news service, It's because three's no coverage from the MSM on this. Do a web search and see how many high profile media giants are interested in this case.
16 posted on 12/18/2004 6:51:51 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (Perversion is not a civil right.)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

three's = there's


17 posted on 12/18/2004 6:53:04 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (Perversion is not a civil right.)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

When this thread was initially posted here at FR, other freepers were adding on similar incidents that have occur like this across our nation.

We even had a lawyer on the thread telling about cases he has like this.


18 posted on 12/18/2004 6:55:20 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: little jeremiah

See post 5


19 posted on 12/18/2004 6:56:31 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Nightshift; BobL

poing


20 posted on 12/18/2004 6:58:08 PM PST by tutstar ( <{{--->< http://ripe4change.4-all.org Violations of Florida Statutes ongoing!)
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