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To: D Edmund Joaquin; Wallace T.; Junior; Ichneumon; RadioAstronomer
Darwin, Huxley, Jung, Alfred Russel Wallace (co-creator of the evo theory, according to many) -- all of them gnostic mesmerists. They were the product of their times and their fruits are well known.

This from some googled site about Wallace, the Spiritualist...

Alfred Russel Wallace on Spiritualism, Man, and Evolution: An Analytical Essay

and this

"Spiritualism and Science"

 

- by Alfred Russel Wallace -

(The article below and the introductory comments were taken from Charles H. Smith's website at http://www.wku.edu/~smithch/ This oft-reprinted letter to the Editor appeared in "The Times" (London) of 4 January 1873.)          

~~~"HAVING BEEN named by several of your correspondents as one of the scientific men who believe in spiritualism, you will perhaps allow me to state briefly what amount of evidence has forced the belief upon me. I began the investigation about eight years ago, and I esteem it a fortunate thing that at that time the more marvellous phenomena were far less common and less accessible than they are now, because I was led to experiment largely at my own house, and among friends whom I could trust, and was able to establish to my own satisfaction, by means of a great variety of tests, the occurrence of sounds and movements not traceable to any known or conceivable physical cause. Having thus become thoroughly familiar with these undoubtedly genuine phenomena, I was able to compare them with the more powerful manifestations of several public mediums, and to recognize an identity of cause in both by means of a number of minute but highly characteristic resemblances. I was also able, by patient observation, to obtain tests of the reality of some of the more curious phenomena which appeared at the time, and still appear to me, to be conclusive. To go into details as to those experiences would require a volume, but I may, perhaps, be permitted briefly to describe one, from notes kept at the time, because it serves as an example of the complete security against deception which often occurs to the patient observer without seeking for it.

A lady who had seen nothing of the phenomena asked me and my sister to accompany her to a well-known public medium. We went, and had a sitting alone in the bright light of a summer's day. After a number of the usual raps and movements our lady friend asked if the name of the deceased person she was desirous of communicating with could be spelt out. On receiving an answer in the affirmative, the lady pointed successively to the letters of a printed alphabet while I wrote down those at which three affirmative raps occurred. Neither I nor my sister knew the name the lady wished for, nor even the names of any of her deceased relatives; her own name had not been mentioned, and she had never been near the medium before. The following is exactly what happened, except that I alter the surname, which was a very unusual one, having no authority to publish it. The letters I wrote down were of the following kind:- y n r e h n o s p m o h t. After the first three - y n r - had been taken down, my friend said, "This is nonsense, we had better begin again." Just then her pencil was at e, and raps came, when a thought struck me (having read of, but never witnessed a similar occurrence) and I said "Please go on, I think I see what is meant." When the spelling was finished I handed the paper to her, but she could see no meaning in it till I divided it at the first h, and asked her to read each portion backwards, when to her intense astonishment the name "Henry Thompson" came out, that of a deceased son of whom she had wished to hear, correct in every letter. Just about that time I had been hearing ad nauseam of the superhuman acuteness of mediums who detect the letters of the name the deluded visitors expect, notwithstanding all their care to pass the pencil over the letters with perfect regularity. This experience, however (for the substantial accuracy of which as above narrated I vouch), was and is, to my mind, a complete disproof of every explanation yet given of the means by which the names of deceased persons are rapped out. Of course, I do not expect any sceptic, whether scientific or unscientific, to accept such facts, of which I could give many, on my testimony, but neither must they expect me, nor the thousands of intelligent men to whom equally conclusive tests have occurred, to accept their short and easy methods of explaining them.

If I am not occupying too much of your valuable space I should like to make a few remarks on the misconceptions of many scientific men as to the nature of this inquiry, taking the letters of your correspondent Mr. Dircks as an example. In the first place, he seems to think that it is an argument against the facts being genuine that they cannot all be produced and exhibited at will; and another argument against them, that they cannot be explained by any known laws. But neither can catalepsy, the fall of meteoric stones, nor hydrophobia be produced at will; yet these are all facts, and none the less so that the first is sometimes imitated, the second was once denied, and the symptoms of the third are often greatly exaggerated, while none of them are yet brought under the domain of strict science; yet no one would make this an argument for refusing to investigate these subjects. Again, I should not have expected a scientific man to state, as a reason for not examining it, that spiritualism "is opposed to every known natural law, especially the law of gravity," and that it "sets chemistry, human physiology, and mechanics at open defiance;" when the facts simply are that the phenomena, if true, depend upon a cause or causes which can overcome or counteract the action of these several forces, just as some of these forces often counteract or overcome others; and this should surely be a strong inducement to a man of science to investigate the subject.

While not laying any claim myself to the title of "a really scientific man," there are some who deserve that epithet who have not yet been mentioned by your correspondents as at the same time spiritualists. Such I consider the late Dr. Robert Chambers, as well as Dr. Elliotson, Professor William Gregory, of Edinburgh; and Professor Hare, of Philadelphia - all unfortunately deceased; while Dr. Gully, of Malvern, as a scientific physician, and Judge Edmonds, one of the best American lawyers, have had the most ample means of investigation; yet all these not only were convinced of the reality of the most marvellous facts, but also accepted the theory of modern spiritualism as the only one which would embrace and account for the facts. I am also acquainted with a living physiologist of high rank as an original investigator, who is an equally firm believer.

In conclusion I may say that, although I have heard a great many accusations of imposture, I have never detected it myself; and, although a large proportion of the more extraordinary phenomena are such, that, if impostures, they could only be performed by means of ingenious apparatus or machinery, none has ever been discovered. I consider it no exaggeration to say, that the main facts are now as well established and as easily verifiable as any of the more exceptional phenomena of nature which are not yet reduced to law. They have a most important bearing on the interpretation of history, which is full of narratives of similar facts, and on the nature of life and intellect, on which physical science throws a very feeble and uncertain light; and it is my firm and deliberate belief that every branch of philosophy must suffer till they are honestly and seriously investigated, and dealt with as constituting an essential portion of the phenomena of human nature."~~~

Thus the fruit of flapdoodles.

905 posted on 12/21/2004 12:08:49 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
This from some googled site about Wallace, the Spiritualist...

So what? Who cares?

911 posted on 12/21/2004 12:25:56 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
With this post, you reveal yourself as that particular brand of creationist who not only thinks "Evolution is a religion," but that science is somehow argued the way religion is argued. In particular, you are obviously of the opinion that one may discredit an idea with 150 years of evidence behind it by throwing mud at three or four people who lived 150 years ago. Your post makes no sense at all if this is not true.

Even in Darwin's day, the credence given his ideas was not based upon any prior claim to fame he may have had. He had fairly little then, and would be unknown now, had he not published On the Origin of Species.

In other words, you have it backward. He got famous for making a good theory. He did not make a theory good by putting his prestige behind it. You really cannot do the latter in science. Science is not argued by personally attacking (or praising, for that matter) the "founder" of a theory. Darwin was only the first Darwinist.

Your problem is with the evidence for Darwin's theory. We can put that in two parts. The tiny part is the data which Darwin had in his day. A much bigger part is the data that has turned up since Darwin's day. A big item which I will lift out separately is the way all the big part lines up with and confirms the little part. That alignment makes Darwin something of a prophet if you think he was a charlatan and had no scientific basis for predicting things like Precambrian fossils, transitional whale ancestors, transitional human ancestors, etc. In attacking Darwin for being a charlatan, one should feel compelled to explain how he was so doggoned lucky. Somehow the creationist always skips that part.

There was already visible in Darwin's day a tree of life. There were gaps in the data, some of them large, but Darwin said the tree was a real tree of common descent and more data arriving in the future would only confirm the fact. In late 2004, we not only have far more extant species cataloged, and far more fossils, but we have a wealth of molecular and genetic evidence whose existence Darwin never suspected. All these sources continue to confirm common descent.

That's how science is argued. The theory is apart from the man. Funny you didn't know that. Creation science doesn't look much like science.

935 posted on 12/21/2004 1:26:08 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Darwin, Huxley, Jung, Alfred Russel Wallace (co-creator of the evo theory, according to many) -- all of them gnostic mesmerists. They were the product of their times and their fruits are well known.

...and your point might be...?

942 posted on 12/21/2004 1:49:55 PM PST by Ichneumon
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