[Havoc]

Ok. You have your belief system which, in no way, can you base on any facts.

Actually, my belief system fits nicely with the facts and evidence. What it doesn't fit with is your spin on them - that's an entirely different matter; but, you're not objective on the matter and will refuse to see it. That aside, I'm not the one begging people to accept the notion that my belief system is science - you are. None of you have proved it, nor have your colleagues in the profession. They have rather failed to and instead proved that it is a belief system by ignoring facts that contend against them, suppressing evidence that disproves them, etc. The argument isn't my belief system vs. yours. The argument is that your belief system isn't science and doesn't belong in the schools. I understand you'd like to make it about something else; but, it ain't gonna happen. And I'm not sorry.

[WildTurkey]

The argument is that your belief system isn't science and doesn't belong in the schools. I understand you'd like to make it about something else; but, it ain't gonna happen. And I'm not sorry.

An excellant example of how you manage to put a blind eye to the facts.

[js1138]

The argument is that your belief system isn't science ...

You could try to be specific about this by answering a few questions:

1. How old is the earth, and in what way is the scientific estimate "not scientific"?
2. Where did the water for the global flood come from and where did it go, and how are the scientific calculations on this subject "not scientific"?
3. What exactly is a species, and how is science wrong in defining species?
4. What is the biological barrier preventing variation from becoming speciation, and exactly how does this barrier function?
5. Does selection occur ever? Has it been observed? If so, where does the information come from that makes selection work?
6. How does the growth of a fertilized egg occur within the confines of the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

[Ichneumon]

Actually, my belief system fits nicely with the facts and evidence.

...then why is it that whenever you attempt to list some of these "facts and evidence", you keep getting them wrong?

What it doesn't fit with is your spin on them - that's an entirely different matter; but, you're not objective on the matter and will refuse to see it.

Oh, sure, right, of course, whatever you say.

That aside, I'm not the one begging people to accept the notion that my belief system is science - you are.

No, actually, we're not. But just for fun, feel free to quote where you mistakenly think we are.

None of you have proved it, nor have your colleagues in the profession.

And there's yet another example of just how badly you misunderstand science. Science does not deal in "proofs". To think that it does is to reveal a deep, fundamental misunderstanding of it.

They have rather failed to and instead proved that it is a belief system by ignoring facts that contend against them,

Such as? Name your best one or two examples, so that we can determine whether you have a point, or have no real idea what in the heck you're talking about.

suppressing evidence that disproves them, etc.

Same as above: Name your best one or two examples, so that we can determine whether you have a point, or have no real idea what in the heck you're talking about.

The argument isn't my belief system vs. yours. The argument is that your belief system isn't science

Because...? And no, contrary to your belief you have not yet made a case for that assertion on this thread. At most you've made misrepresentations about science and/or evolution, and then stamped your feet and blustered about how you've already proven your point.

and doesn't belong in the schools.

Science always belongs in the schools. And yes, evolutionary biology *is* science.

I understand you'd like to make it about something else; but, it ain't gonna happen. And I'm not sorry.

Support your claims, or retract them. The ball's in your court.