Posted on 12/18/2004 7:19:04 AM PST by cougar_mccxxi
Look at specific records in the "South" and you will see how few whites, even the top citizens, owned any slaves. Read M.J.Cash's classic work called "The Mind of the South" and you will see the whites fared no better than the blacks , excepting the gentry as is the case in all societies in all periods in all places. My grandmother worked 12+ hours a day at age 9 along with her parents and siblings in the Dan River Cotton Mills, owned and operated and $$$$ flowing to absentee carpetbaggers and their scion in Manhattan, just to put food on the table. I have photographs of good middle-class ( for the South!) land-owning white farming citizens of Pittsylvania County Virginia in the 1930s at a "laying out" of a dead child, no casket, no shoes, no suit, torn 'overhauls' and worn out shirt only, on the taken down door of their 3 room log home as the only board they owned, set on stumps. Among 10 people in the picture there is only two pair of shoes, and only one has laces and intact tops.
Want to look at slavery? Look at whites in the South from 1865 until the beginning of WWII.
In the 1950s a full time working man at Dan River Cotton Mills, proudly the largest single unit cotton mills in the world, made $15 to max $35 a week. In the 1970s that same man made $65 to $80 a week. At the same time, as a first year at Washington and Lee Univ., all members of my fraternity were offered $11-$18 an hour plus room and board outside of Pittsburgh as totally new and unskilled workers in custodial type jobs in the various industries there ; 5-10 times what a skilled man made in Virginia after years of service! This is fact. I was there! And that same working man in the South didn't want a damned thing the Washington Gubbimint could "give" ( return loot) to him and still doesn't! And today here is one more proud and highly educated and successful Southerner who still doesn't want a damned thing from the disgraceful, filthy and vagrant strewn Washington DC. Now let's talk more about "victims".
Don't rant in my presence of the beneficent and kind "Nawth" . I know both what white poverty and the whining leftist hypocrisy of leftists and black victim mentality looks like in reality and the total rape of a whole region of native whites for a hundred years by the whining bleeding hearts. Their hypocrisy seems also to be rooted in Britain of the past and lives well in the socialist mantra of today.
PITY too.. for England for fall for slavery again in so complete a manner..
Socialism is indeed slavery by government..
And democracy is the disease from which it comes.. After such a hard and prolonged battle, its ironic to see England so completely slave ridden..
Socialism has spread almost unchecked to all of URP... too..
Even in the United States slavery is practiced with abandon..
Here in the U.S. most all of the MSM, MSP, and ALL of Academia, damn near most of Hollywood are pushing slavery again as the MORAL thing to do....
Socialism is absolutely and completely Slavery by government.. As the rise of U.S. Federal Governments internal power and the scope and breadth of it rises. The Slavery of the American people is insured and transfered to other countries, like China.. The Chinese already were slaves(always were) but their form of slavery was out dated.. Socialism (usually through democracy) in its purest sense is spread to enslave the world.. In the U.S. today merely mentioning the words socialism or communism (which is socialism) is frowned upon as impolite..
Slavery is NOT DEAD but is alive in its most virulent form, Socialism.. And is spreading to every corner of the earth.. Canada, Australia, all URPeans country's are already SLAVE markets.. The rest of the world with archaic slaveing systems are slowing being UPGRADED to socialism though DEMOCRACY... The next time you hear the word democracy be advised, democracy is the social disease that socialism COME FROM... Socialism is slavery by government through Mob rule(democracy).. voted in by the Slaves themselves...
NO I'm not kidding, its true.. Humans don't seem to be too smart.. Caution: be careful when around a human.. listen very carefully to all the say. They have a slave mentality..
cry me a river...
I said it was better than the pre-capitalist era. That is all I said. If you have facts to refute this, I'd like to see them.
Ignorance thrives here on FR in the form of mac_truck....but what can one expect....
You said:
Few realize and fewer will admit that the best thing that ever happened to human trafficking was the white man. After existing for centuries if not millenia in Africa and Asia, slavery was introduced to western Europe. A few scant centuries later it was outlawed, followed shortly after by the young United States. If it was up to the rest of the world instead of Great Britain and the US, slaves would be advertised on television.
19 posted on 12/18/2004 8:57:42 AM PST by SpaceBar
Thank you Spacebar
How very true. And as truth, how hard to refute the contrary leftist spin and its refrain from the victim mentalities.
"Socialism is indeed slavery by government"
BULLSEYE!
The best thing that ever happenedwas christianity.
very interesting
Sorry, but many Christian abolitionists also opposed child labor in sweat shops. The evangelical movement, in 19th century America at least, had many who held both anti-slavery and anti-child labor views.
On the topic of slavery itself, yes, slavery was a nearly universal phenomenon in the mid-1700's. It was a segment of the European Christian community that first began to realize that chattel slavery was inconsistent with the love of God in Jesus for all humankind.
Defending slavery in 1704 is understandable. Defending it in 2004 is damnable.
And, yes, other societies had slave practices that were as bad or worse than those of the Europeans. So what! Can't those who love freedom and the Declaration's claim that "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights" simply say that our ancestors, God love them, were wrong. They were wrong to hold men in slavery and, when slavery ended, they were wrong to make laws that enforced legal segregation based on race.
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I do not disagree with you regarding the wrongs of slavery and, trust me, no one here seems to be defending the institution. However, I must say the point being made here is that blacks do not have a monopoloy concerning the experience of slavery which is a huge misconception held by many.
I don't quite understand this date. Consider:
1619: First record of Blacks in North America when 20 Africans arrive at Jamestown, Virginia, a British colony. (They apparently were treated about the same as White apprentices were.)
1641: Another British colony, Massachusettes, becomes the first colony to authorize slavery by statute.
Of course you are correct and slavery is wrong. But to try and enslave people who were equally "victimized" over the years by
touting a partial truth is also wrong. The propaganda finger of the leftists always points in one direction and one direction only. It points always to "How we can destroy the West." The sad part is that the schools, media and leftist institutions have our people believing the "victimization" of slavery was created, fostered, institutionalized and continues today by the United states. This is patently false. This is another socialist Big Lie. Remember, the great socialist Adolf hitler also convinced people they were "victims" and not responsible for their plight. This is what socialism does. It convinces people they should feel guilty or not responsible for their situation so socialism can save them. The truth is that socialism speakes with a forked tongue in its quest to enslave the world. It's a shame this victim philosophy is what our kids have beed getting throughout their education for 40 years now. And we have not bothered to stop the Big Lie.
pardon spelling....finger-brain disconnect...please no non- sequiturs (-;
YOU whine like a liberal about absentee carpetbaggers forcing your family to work in their textile mill, and I'M ignorant?
Thats rich. Whats next, reparations for white southerners?
Both truth and sunlight are disinfectants.
I appreciate the offer but I'll pass. I've seen the effects handouts have on folks.
Sir, I have NO idea why this tirade was directed at me. I am of Southern blood on both sides of my family. My maternal grandfather came from the darkest poverty in eastern Tennessee. All my living relatives are humble country people from a frankly impoverished background near Richmond. I am in perfect agreement with you. Of course I'm aware that only about 3% of Southern whites were slaveowners prior to the War. And I am the last, the very last, person to speak approvingly of the North or its values. I am only saying that I can understand why the Trade Unionists and people like Marx found fertile soil to till among the exhausted and hopeless people of Victorian England. People like that, particularly in an urban environment and with no cultural history of autonomy or pide, are ripe for exploitation and can be easily misled.
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