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White is right: Cameras at traffic lights can save lives
Houston Chronicle ^ | Dec. 12, 2004, 12:06AM | By CLAY ROBISON

Posted on 12/17/2004 12:14:25 PM PST by weegee

White is right: Cameras at traffic lights can save lives

Clay Robison writes that red light cameras can help protect us from some of the most dangerous people we will ever encounter

Whom do you fear the most? A two-time ex-convict on the prowl for easy money to feed a drug habit? Or a suburban soccer mom running late for a movie?

How about a deliveryman with too many stops on his morning route, or a salesman with too many appointments on his daily calendar?

The addicted ex-con probably would cause most people the most anxiety because he clearly is a threat to public safety and people like him get a lot of well-deserved bad publicity.

In terms of simple statistics, however, you are much more likely to be killed or injured by the soccer mom, the deliveryman, the salesman or anyone else in a hurry behind the wheel of a motor vehicle.

And if you are going to be hurt by the ex-con, it is more likely to happen in a traffic collision than in a back alley mugging.

Politicians love to bash murderers, muggers and robbers because being "tough on crime" is a popular stance. Dealing with dangerous drivers, however, is more ticklish because they are friends, neighbors, political contributors and familiar faces in the mirror.

Houston Mayor Bill White is to be commended, though, for reopening the debate over installing cameras at problem intersections to crack down on the dangerous practice of running red lights. What have we been waiting for?

According to the Texas Department of Public Safety, 1,417 people were murdered in Texas in 2003. In all, 122,108 people were victims of violent crime, including murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault.

In 2001, the most recent year for which the DPS has complete traffic data, 3,739 people were killed in motor vehicle accidents in Texas. That was more than double the number of murder victims in 2003. Another 340,554 people were injured in traffic crashes, almost three times the number of violent crime victims in 2003.

Many traffic casualties are caused by people driving too fast, driving while intoxicated or talking on a cell phone, following too closely behind another car or recklessly weaving their cars, pickups and SUVs in and out of traffic.

Some 28,711 wrecks in Texas in 2001 were caused by running a red light or a stop sign. Some 220 of those were fatal, and 20,146 produced injuries.

The Texas Legislature has attempted to crack down on drunken driving and has imposed some potential safeguards on teenage drivers. But lawmakers haven't been sufficiently impressed by the carnage to slow down motorists who regard traffic lights as minor bumps on their private speedways.

Most recently, the House voted overwhelmingly in 2003 to kill a bill that would have authorized cities to install cameras so that criminal citations could have been mailed to people whose cars were photographed (and identified by license plate numbers) racing through an intersection on red.

But unbeknownst to most legislators, a provision was slipped into a separate bill to give cities the authority to regulate transportation problems as civil matters. White is asking the Houston City Council to install cameras at intersections with high accident rates, so that violators can be assessed civil fines by mail.

It's a good idea but is predictably generating some moaning and groaning, mostly from people who will be in a hurry some day to get to their own funerals. (Just don't try to hurry the rest of us to ours, please.)

No one has an unrestricted right to drive a car. Government, in the interest of promoting public safety, already has the long-established authority to set age and competency requirements for driver licenses, impose traffic laws and require drivers to have insurance. Using cameras for enforcement is a reasonable extension of that authority, provided the city imposes adequate safeguards on how the cameras are operated and revenue collected.

Similar cameras already are being used in many cities outside Texas and have been credited, in some cases, with signficant decreases in traffic light violations.

"Driving a motor vehicle is going to be the most dangerous thing you're going to do today," noted DPS spokeswoman Tela Mange.

Unfortunately, many people still drive as if they don't believe it.

Robison is chief of the Chronicle's Austin Bureau.

clay.robison@chron.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: bigbother; bigbrother; fundraising; houston; mayorwhite; photoradar; policecameras; redlightcameras; redlights; revenueenhancement; taxdollarsatwork; texas
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To: GLDNGUN

Anecdote: I have a good friend of mine who would always come back home using the same route (same speed limit). One day they changed the speed limits. He got pulled over and ticketed by the sheriff. He got home, took his camcorder and recorded more signs being put in that day. He also caught the sheriff stop another car and letting the driver go with a warning. He asked the judge for a trial. At the trial date (the same day) the judge pulled him aside and told him the tape was inadmissible! Since it was his only evidence, he was convicted. This little anecdote showcases quite a few potential traffic court horrors:
-The cops never gave any warning of the speed limit change to residents (most people get on auto-pilot when they use the same route every day; there's no way they would notice a changed speed sign)
-Cops do not treat people equally
-Judges are far from objective in traffic court
-Decent citizens end up wasting half a day of work (huge cost) in order to fight a small fine. Most people would rather pay up rather than fight, even if they're innocent.

Seeing cops camped at 15 miles per hour roads ON THE WEEKEND is absolutely disgusting!


21 posted on 12/18/2004 4:33:24 PM PST by winner3000
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Looks like it's 7 to 1 in favor of murder.

Right. Let's spice up the thread with hysterical accusations.

22 posted on 12/18/2004 4:39:35 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Fenris6
The irony is that several camera intersections in DC have suspicously short yellow light intervals. Seems Big Brother is willing to risk lives for new revenue.

I've heard that the duration of yellow lights have been deliberately reduced at some camera intersections in order to increase revenues.

23 posted on 12/18/2004 4:42:28 PM PST by Jorge
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To: GLDNGUN

Cops ticket speeders because THEY determine who the offender is. They don't pull over all speeders, they point a laser/rader gun at a single car and get their number to cite him with.

Sit at a red light and you don't know IF there will be an offender (there is not one every cycle and there could be several).


24 posted on 12/18/2004 7:57:53 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: weegee
Computers f' up.

I oppose this 100% in my town.

25 posted on 12/18/2004 8:00:03 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("BZZZZZT You are fined one credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute")
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To: weegee
Sit at a red light and you don't know IF there will be an offender (there is not one every cycle and there could be several).

I'm not sure what your point is. Not every speeder is pulled over, either.

26 posted on 12/19/2004 11:09:46 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: winner3000

Your anecdote is describing systematic abuse. I certainly don't support that. It happens in the criminal justice system unfortunately; however, the answer is to fix the problem, not to quit enorcing laws.


27 posted on 12/19/2004 11:23:05 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: winner3000

The traffic court system is the only court system where the prosecutor, the policemen, and the judge's salaries are paid by the defendant's fines.

"If the good lord didn't want them to be sheared he wouldn't have made them sheep." or taxpayers


28 posted on 12/19/2004 11:30:19 AM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....................Get over it.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

One of the last things caught on a 'test' camera before it was terminally damaged in upper New York State was a ski-masked figure pointing a shotgun at it.


29 posted on 12/19/2004 11:34:15 AM PST by kahoutek
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To: kahoutek
Bwhahahahahahahahahah.

BTW - Haven't been to Outstate New York since I was 14...wasn't me.

30 posted on 12/19/2004 11:42:50 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("BZZZZZT You are fined one credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute")
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To: weegee
There is an article in The Columbus Dispatch today and various law enforcement agencies were quoted, pimping these systems to the public.

A thought that immediately ran through my head:
Columbus has neighborhoods that are unsafe to live in without bars across your windows and the hoods govern the streets. The police response? Let's put cameras at intersections to catch red light runners.

The company's proposal included the potential $4.5 million of annual revenue to the city. The city politicians may have a fleeting thought of despair for a life lost to a traffic accident. They will mourn for years over lost revenue they can not spend.

31 posted on 12/19/2004 11:43:59 AM PST by Ghengis
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To: Fatalis
Mandatory helmets for drivers and 20 mph speed limits will save lives too.

A guy I work with is a 2nd generation immigrant from Norway. His extended family is still there. He goes back every year. They keep lowering the speed limits and adding checkpoints so that no one dies on the road. Helmets and an 8 point roll cage may not be too far behind. Let nanny staters get into power, the results are mind boggling

32 posted on 12/19/2004 11:49:50 AM PST by Malsua
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To: GLDNGUN

My point is that I would trust the enforcement of the law if the inherent conflict of interest is resolved. As long as it's there, it gives incentive for abuse. This in turn, makes the public resent policemen (seen as tax collectors) instead of feeling safe when they see one.


33 posted on 12/19/2004 11:05:54 PM PST by winner3000
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To: GLDNGUN
To catch people running a red light requires paying close attention to the light cycle. It become a monotonous task of waiting, waiting, waiting, until someone runs a light (most of the time the light is green or red, the officer is only concerned with the transition time from yellow to red and a few seconds after it turns red).

When gunning for speeders, if there are few cars on the road (highway/back road) you can point the detector down the road and go fishing that way. If there are clumps of cars, single out one of the faster ones and pull the trigger on the laser/radar. A lot less monotonous (it can happen anytime, not just once every 55 seconds).
34 posted on 12/20/2004 1:14:27 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Ghengis

Wait until they start turning long existent freeways into toll roads... There are always new "revenue" sources for bankrupt politicians.


35 posted on 12/20/2004 1:18:52 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: weegee

So are you saying that you don't have a problem with cops using a machine to catch speeders, but you do have a problem with them using a machine to catch people running red lights?


36 posted on 12/22/2004 11:00:55 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: weegee

I'm so glad the uber liberals haven't gotten these cameras in where I live. Let the coppers catch you fair and square. Not some Big Brother camera


37 posted on 12/22/2004 11:07:12 AM PST by dennisw (Help put the "Ch" back in Chanukah)
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To: GLDNGUN

The "machine" for speeders is MANNED by a person. I would oppose an automated system for ticketing speeders as well.


38 posted on 12/22/2004 12:55:39 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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