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1 posted on 12/17/2004 11:49:17 AM PST by MisterRepublican
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To: MisterRepublican

Big Rumsfeld ~ Bump!


2 posted on 12/17/2004 11:58:48 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: MisterRepublican; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; blam; kellynla; SunkenCiv; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Good read, The transcript is posted on FreeRepublic and on the Armorflap keyword list.
3 posted on 12/17/2004 12:13:50 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: MisterRepublican

RUSH cleared this up for me, I've been watching C-SPAN for a playback of the whole event, so far, no luck.


4 posted on 12/17/2004 12:21:03 PM PST by Mister Baredog (PLEASE be sure you have a flag up on your FReeper homepage.!!!)
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To: MisterRepublican

"It may not have been conscious sabotage of the defense secretary, but it's hard to believe otherwise."

More payback from Hanoi Kerry

WAKE UP MAIN STREAM RIGHT WING MEDIA!

Don't be like the silent majority in the 60's and 70's
and turn your back on America and cave in to the anti war minority.
Speak up for America today!

Kerry was an illegal candidate
and is an illegal US Senator per
US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3

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5 posted on 12/17/2004 12:25:12 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (US Senate AND Main Stream Right Wing Media READ US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3)
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To: MisterRepublican

I have to admit, I was a little miffed at Rummy for that remark. Although I agree with it, it was a little cold, at least in the coxtext presented in the media.

Now, I'm a little miffed at myself for letting the media dupe me once again.


6 posted on 12/17/2004 12:25:16 PM PST by L98Fiero
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To: MisterRepublican

Thanks for posting.


9 posted on 12/17/2004 12:36:42 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: MisterRepublican

All of John McPain's lap dogs have jumped on his bandwagon to trash Rumsfeld. The most offensive is Bill Kristol's attack on Rumsfeld in the Weekly Standard.

Kristol was a big McPain booster in the 2000 Repub primaries and since his candidate went down in flames he has nursed a not to well disguised vendetta against Bush, Rumsfeld and other Bush appointees.


12 posted on 12/17/2004 12:46:03 PM PST by hgro
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My daughter is serving in the Army in Germany. She has not heard the same reports about this as the rest of us have, because their TV and radio channels are supplied by the Army. They show programs selected by the military, and the commercials are Army propaganda. However the topic of discussion lately among her peers is the armor question. She says that when a unit ships out for Iraq, they take their own equipment and vehicles (humvees, etc) with them.

She says that the hummers her unit has have fabric doors and zip flexible plastic windows. I was horrified to hear this. I thought that the un-armored hummers at least had solid doors, like the ones you see here in the U.S.

I explained to her that these vehicles were ordered during the Clinton Administration, and that any armoring has taken place because the current administration and Mr. Rumsfield have ordered it.

I don't want my baby going to Iraq under any circumstances, but I want the vehicles armored if she does get sent over there!

13 posted on 12/17/2004 12:48:17 PM PST by passionfruit (passionate about my politics, and from the land of fruits and nuts)
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To: MisterRepublican; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Well, as usual, the MSM got it wrong again...
and the "hate Rummy" crowd, including Senator John McCain, jumped on the inaccurate story like a drunken sailor on liberty! LOL


I hope people will realize what the American military has accomplished in three years.
50 million people liberated
with just a little over 1000 KIA's(although we mourn the loss of each and every one)
and with a ten percent mortality rate of WIA's is incredible. That's half of what it was in Nam and probably half again what it was in WWII where we lost over 400K and we won't even talk about the mortality rated of WIA's in WWI and beyond!

Semper Fi,
Kelly

Improvise, adapt, overcome!


14 posted on 12/17/2004 12:54:21 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: MisterRepublican

Sorry. I listened to the entire exchange on the radio, and the media got this one right. What made it even worse was Secretary Rumsfeld's insistence that only the laws of physics prevented more armored trucks from being produced. Then I read in the paper the next day that the company that is the army's sole source said they were only waiting for orders to produce 20% more armored trucks than their current output.

I've worked for a government contractor, and believe me, no government contractor leaves the government uninformed of their capacity to produce more of what the government is buying. If the company didn't have orders to run at full capacity, it's because the DoD wasn't on top of the problem.

If anyone has information to disprove this lapse, I'd be relieved to read it.


16 posted on 12/17/2004 1:28:56 PM PST by edweena
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To: MisterRepublican
Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott said in his home state of Mississippi on Wednesday: "I am not a fan of Secretary Rumsfeld. I don't think he listens to his uniformed officers."

Although Lott didn't have a huge majority, he always ran the Senate as if the Democrats were in charge. Most of us weren't really fan of Lott in those days.

Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), a strong Bush supporter on the campaign trail this year despite past differences, got the latest round of criticism under way by saying he had no confidence in Rumsfeld.

Can you imagine this clown as the standard bearer for Republicans in 2008? What a nightmare that would be!

Then a prominent moderate Republican, Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio, voting record) of Maine, was critical of the Pentagon (news - web sites) for insufficient armor protection for troops in Iraq.

Isn't she one of those blathering females that Ann Coulter referred to as an air head in bygone days? Wasn't she a supporter of clinton during his impeachment?

Rumsfeld got himself into trouble last week by appearing to brush off a soldier headed to Iraq who complained that military vehicles did not have sufficient armor and troops were having to piece together scraps of metal for extra protection.

Seems to me this story was half truth enough to be called a lie.

"As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time," Rumsfeld had told the soldier in Kuwait.

As you know we go into legislative battle with many of the Rinos we have, not literate Republicans we want or wish to have at a later time. If trends continue though...

Little more than two weeks ago, Bush told Rumsfeld that he could stay on as defense secretary in the president's second term.

Makes it sound as though Bush was doing Rumsfeld a favor. Bush no doubt realizes that Rumsfeld was as bright a star as he had in the first term or as any President has had in a good long time.

23 posted on 12/17/2004 2:34:34 PM PST by stevem
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"We're digging pieces of rusted scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass that's already been shot up . . . to put on our vehicles to take into combat."

It is very interesting that no one seems to have asked Spc. Wilson whether he or his unit has actually been "digging" up these pieces in actual fact, or was this just the question that he was "put-up" to asking by the reporter?

I mean nothing negative in any way against Spc. Wilson, it's just that having read how he came about asking this question and all the circumstances surrounding him being setup to be picked to ask it, is there any actual fact behind it?

I don't doubt whatsoever that the troops are doing all kinds of things like scrounging... what troops throughout history haven't done that? I just would like to know if this particular soldier and his unit have been actually doing what he implied they were having to do, or if there was more "put up" to the question than we have been given to believe.

I'd sure like to know the truth, not the MSM/Dimmocraps version of it.

24 posted on 12/17/2004 3:05:42 PM PST by hadit2here ("Danger lies not in what we don't know, but in what we think we know that just ain't so." Mark Twain)
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