You have to face reality man. Guiliani is not my first pick either but he can win. He would take a serious bit out of the blue states and still hold a majority in the red. Let's face it, a true conservative would have problems getting elected. Guiliani would mute a--holes like McCain and steal away his supporters. Rudy would look like Ronald Reagan compaired to Hillary!
What concerns me is the defeatist attitude that a lot of Freepers are taking regarding the '08 election. We have just elected the most conservative President in recent memory to two terms. Why is it assumed that Rudy is our only shot against Hitlery and why are we building her up as some unstoppable political force? Last time I checked her husband's approval ratings were somewhere in the 40's and she was facing a potential '06 showdown with Rudy for her Senate seat. She does not have the charisma her husband had, and will not have the same appeal in the South. If the Dims nominate her in '08 it's a replay of '04. No northeast liberal is going to be able to assemble the coalition needed to win the White House no matter how hard she tries to change her stripes between now and 2008.
I don't buy it. We won in 2004 by going Conservative. I don't buy the claim that we can only win in 2008 by going Liberal. And there's no way in Hell I'll vote for a pro-abort gun-grabber. It just ain't gonna happen.
If the GOP wants to have a repeat of Conservatives staying home on election day like they did in 1992, then they can just keep trying to pull this crap.