Posted on 12/16/2004 11:18:44 PM PST by kattracks
WASHINGTON — The stink of Bernard Kerik's rotten bid to become homeland security czar hasn't stuck to his chief cheerleader, Rudy Giuliani, who is a top pick for the presidency among Republicans, a new poll shows.A whopping 68 percent of Republican voters want to see Giuliani run for the White House in 2008, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll — showing little fallout among the party base in the wake of Kerik's embarrassing exit.
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And it shows that if party faithful get their way, Giuliani would face off against Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in an Empire State showdown — which Giuliani would win, 45 percent to 43 percent.
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Although she's a favorite among Dems, 50 percent of all voters don't want to see the former first lady run for the White House.
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The issues have changed because the world has changed.
A conservative used to be someone who opposed admission of China into the U.N., opposed giving away the Panama canal, supported the death penalty, opposed integration of schools, etc...
Of course there are some people still living in the past who still define conservaties by those issues.
If Barry Goldwater had been asked about embryonic stem cell research he would have supported it, just like he was pro-choice.
Does anyone even know if she is conservative? All I've seen is that she advises Bush in private and then goes public to support whatever decision he makes. That's admirable but doesn't tell us anything about her own positions.
I do not recall any insinuation that you, or others who share your thinking have no place in the Republican Party, and quite frankly I think that your consideration of Hillary's prospective 2008 candidacy verges on paranoia. Hillary Clinton would be waging a campaign with a ceiling of electoral support. She is as polarizing a figure that as can be found in national politics today outside of Ted Kennedy. She will not be able to garner more than 45% in a two way race. Even better, she is a phenomenal GOP fundraising tool who will have our campaign coffers overflowing. Don't expect that the American public has forgotten her ill fated attempt at socialized medicine.
At the same time I cannot understand how you can continue to argue for the electability of Dr. Rice who has never run for any kind of elective office at any level. With nearly 30 GOP Governors, and 55 Senators, the notion that we must look within the Bush Administration to find a candidate to defeat Hillary or whoever the Dim nominee happens to be, is incredibly shortsighted.
In this last election we found that nearly a quarter of voters cast their ballots based upon "values". The surest way to defeat would be to turn our backs on our reason for success in this last election. Yes, times have changed, and the Rockefeller Republicanism that you subscribe to is no longer viable as a national political force. You may be able to pick off a few blue state governorships as Weld, Whitman and Pataki were able to do in the 1990's, but that is not a practical strategy for winning a national election.
Here is what we know of Condi's position on abortion: (Weekly Standard 3/28/02)
Much of the current debate about Rice's VP chances in 2004 revolves around her position on abortion and whether it will be palatable to conservatives. Rice has been pretty coy on the subject. And who can blame her? She's not a politician (yet)--she's a foreign policy wonk, for heaven's sake. In 1999, after stepping down as provost at Stanford to work for Bush's campaign, she told the San Francisco Chronicle that despite her devout Presbyterian background, she is a "pro-choice evangelical," and that "there's a lot of room in the middle [on abortion]. . . . I don't think Americans think abortion is something you do lightly." Later that year, she told National Review's Jay Nordlinger that she is "mildly pro-choice," and more generally, an "all-over-the-map Republican" whose views are "hard to typecast."
Besides your electoral strategy of an "all over the map", wishy washy, world is gray, straddle the fence presidential campaign has already been tried and failed, just ask President John Kerry.
Barry Goldwater would not have supported government funding of stem cell research unless he moderated. Why is there any conservative debate on this whatsoever? There should be no government funding of any medical research at all. Period. Because it is not authorized by the Constitution.
Amen Joe! I have suggested Ron Paul or Judge Moore so far. You have any ideas? Another good conservative candidate would be Larry Pratt, CEO of the Gun Owners of America.
Guiliani is a Career politican, and makes Bush look like Tom Tancredo on the immigration issue. Most GOPers have no idea who Guliani is and soon hopefully they will so they can stop fantasizing about him being President.
I agree Red. I have had enough of these career elite politicians. They are dragging us down and killing this country with their greed and this open border madness. Tancredo would get my vote in a minute. Ron Paul is probably better than anything in D.C. too!
Many thought this past election was the big one. They were wrong. That'll come in 08.
What we have now are those that aid and abet this epic open border invasion for greed and votes, as they've pushed the budget and spending out to the orbit of Jupiter. It's a disgrace.
It seems that the way that country is governed is a lot closer to the original conception of a "federal" system than what we've had in the United States post-New Deal.
That's me alright. I still believe we should undermine the dictatorial communist government of Red China
every chance we get. Pretty outrageous, huh?
I think there should be morning prayers in school.
I think abortion should be outlawed.
I think parents should teach their children about sex, not the government.
And I am going to work the rest of my life to turn back the clock.
We've gone down the wrong roads, but it's not too late to turn back.
This dog won't hunt in the South.
I thought only liberals attacked us for "living in the past." It is a shame when a fellow conservative does it. Kind of reminds you of that living, breathing Constitution garbage, doesn't it?
You have to face reality man. Guiliani is not my first pick either but he can win. He would take a serious bit out of the blue states and still hold a majority in the red. Let's face it, a true conservative would have problems getting elected. Guiliani would mute a--holes like McCain and steal away his supporters. Rudy would look like Ronald Reagan compaired to Hillary!
Yes you will if Hillary is running. You ain't gonna sit that one out bunky!
What concerns me is the defeatist attitude that a lot of Freepers are taking regarding the '08 election. We have just elected the most conservative President in recent memory to two terms. Why is it assumed that Rudy is our only shot against Hitlery and why are we building her up as some unstoppable political force? Last time I checked her husband's approval ratings were somewhere in the 40's and she was facing a potential '06 showdown with Rudy for her Senate seat. She does not have the charisma her husband had, and will not have the same appeal in the South. If the Dims nominate her in '08 it's a replay of '04. No northeast liberal is going to be able to assemble the coalition needed to win the White House no matter how hard she tries to change her stripes between now and 2008.
Worst. Idea. Ever.
Let me correct myself by saying no northeast liberal Dim is going to be able to assemble that coalition unless we nominate a northeast liberal to run against her. Let's get Rudy in the Senate and find a true conservative for the White House.
I don't buy it. We won in 2004 by going Conservative. I don't buy the claim that we can only win in 2008 by going Liberal. And there's no way in Hell I'll vote for a pro-abort gun-grabber. It just ain't gonna happen.
If the GOP wants to have a repeat of Conservatives staying home on election day like they did in 1992, then they can just keep trying to pull this crap.
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