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To: mull

I have held more offices and duties in the Republican Party than probably 95% or more of the FR constituency. I still am active. You are going to tell me and millions like me that we have no place in Republican politics? That is why you will lose and take the rest of us down with you.

Condoleeza Rice should be viewed and groomed and supported for the Presidency. Times have changed; thus you have three choices only, Mutate, Migrate or Die. Of the three, change is the easiest and most functional. Get with it and consider Condi for President as probably the ONLY person who can defeat Hitlery!!!! Hitlery has the socialist hate-filled base and the ignorant and corrupt. WE must counter this with innovation, not the same old Dole/ hack stuff....or die under Hitlery.


175 posted on 12/17/2004 7:15:36 AM PST by chemainus
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To: chemainus

Perhaps that is the problem with the Republican Party, people who are more concerned about changing than they are sticking to principles.


176 posted on 12/17/2004 7:33:54 AM PST by Red Phillips
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To: chemainus
So you are saying we have to sell out our principles to win?

IF we move to the left we will lose and deserve to lose.

Times have changed; thus you have three choices only, Mutate, Migrate or Die.

That is what liberals and RINOS always say. Their is the 4th choice which is stay and fight for your side. Reagan ran 2 times before winning in 1980 and was always told he must change to accommodate the views of RINOS. Well the rest is history that disproves your sell out theory.

177 posted on 12/17/2004 8:54:26 AM PST by M 91 u2 K
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To: chemainus

I do not recall any insinuation that you, or others who share your thinking have no place in the Republican Party, and quite frankly I think that your consideration of Hillary's prospective 2008 candidacy verges on paranoia. Hillary Clinton would be waging a campaign with a ceiling of electoral support. She is as polarizing a figure that as can be found in national politics today outside of Ted Kennedy. She will not be able to garner more than 45% in a two way race. Even better, she is a phenomenal GOP fundraising tool who will have our campaign coffers overflowing. Don't expect that the American public has forgotten her ill fated attempt at socialized medicine.

At the same time I cannot understand how you can continue to argue for the electability of Dr. Rice who has never run for any kind of elective office at any level. With nearly 30 GOP Governors, and 55 Senators, the notion that we must look within the Bush Administration to find a candidate to defeat Hillary or whoever the Dim nominee happens to be, is incredibly shortsighted.

In this last election we found that nearly a quarter of voters cast their ballots based upon "values". The surest way to defeat would be to turn our backs on our reason for success in this last election. Yes, times have changed, and the Rockefeller Republicanism that you subscribe to is no longer viable as a national political force. You may be able to pick off a few blue state governorships as Weld, Whitman and Pataki were able to do in the 1990's, but that is not a practical strategy for winning a national election.


183 posted on 12/17/2004 12:56:45 PM PST by mull
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To: chemainus

Besides your electoral strategy of an "all over the map", wishy washy, world is gray, straddle the fence presidential campaign has already been tried and failed, just ask President John Kerry.


185 posted on 12/17/2004 1:05:45 PM PST by mull
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To: chemainus
Hey, Rice is a great choice for the 08 ticket, barring anything unforeseen occurring.
If we actually want to win, that is.

I believe that her name on the ticket would counter the woman's vote going to Hilda, and that is crucial to us.
Building on minority support can only help.

At this time, I would say McCain/Rice would be capable of beating Bill's machine.

Before folks respond with matters of issues and policy regarding McCain & Rice, let me state that I am only talking about *winning* in 08.

Of course, It's far too early to know who win run for our ticket in 08, but I'm pretty darn sure it's Clinton over on the other side.

"Mutate, Migrate or Die. Of the three, change is the easiest and most functional."

By this I'm quite sure that you are not suggesting, as so many here may have thought, that our principles and fundamental values change, but that the idea of a black woman on the executive ticket should be a reasonable idea. - Or, so I hope that was your gist.

That wouldn't have flown 20 years ago...
203 posted on 12/20/2004 12:55:43 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: chemainus

good post.

I fear that people here will not learn that lesson - and will march out a ticket with two little known white conservatives using abortion as the litmus test - against a ticket with the first woman presidential candidate, and the first Hispanic (Richardson) as VP.

while it is true that a republican cannot win without the conservative base, it is also true that the conservative base alone cannot elect a republican president. you need a coalition of the conservative base, plus some independents, and increasingly someone who appeals to Hispanics.


229 posted on 12/20/2004 7:42:09 PM PST by oceanview
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