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1 posted on 12/15/2004 10:36:34 PM PST by AskStPhilomena
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To: AskStPhilomena

Perverted and sick.


2 posted on 12/15/2004 10:39:00 PM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: AskStPhilomena

And it's not the first time a baby doesn't have a choice.


3 posted on 12/15/2004 10:45:35 PM PST by lara
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Very detailed summary of homosexual adopting/parenting. Why studies that say it's just as good as a married mother and father are flawed. This is a biggie, and there are some revealing quotes from homosexuals about their desire for children.

The desire for children is very natural, but the desire to "enjoy" having them is extremely selfish. Their legitimate needs come before any prospective "parent's" selfish personal desires.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


4 posted on 12/15/2004 10:59:48 PM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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To: AskStPhilomena

I've had a look at some of the books on the subject, all are partisan as hell and even my non-scientific mind immediately picked up on the fact that the cases being cited were obviously screened beforehand, i.e. no objective statistics about gay couples w/children who came a cropper. No, only the happy-happy, joy-joy stories. And even then, there were none involving children who had grown to adulthood.


5 posted on 12/15/2004 11:09:36 PM PST by sinanju
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To: AskStPhilomena

bump for reference.


7 posted on 12/15/2004 11:16:26 PM PST by lainde
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To: AskStPhilomena
So, two homosexuals adopt a little boy and years later he's sexually abused by his "mommy" or his "daddy" and we, society, is supposed to be shocked? We, as a society, should be ashamed for putting this kid in that environment in the first place.

Perverts don't deserve the right to pervert other people. If they are so selfish that all they think about is their perversions they should NEVER have the opportunity to spoil another life. No adoptions for the gay/lesbian/transsexual/bisexual/trans gendered crowd. They chose their life, don't be malignant and spread it to innocent children.

8 posted on 12/15/2004 11:29:50 PM PST by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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To: AskStPhilomena
Her parting thought: 'I cannot understand or relate to men because I am so immersed in gay culture and unfamiliar with what it is to have a healthy straight relationship.'"

This is exactly what I worry about with gays raising kids. A huge amount of what kids learn about the world comes from mirroring the behavior of their parents. If parents are alcoholics, kids are much more likely to be alcoholics. If they are smokers, kids are more likely to be smokers. Now, there is one difference: I do believe that a majority of people who identify as homosexual were born that way, and trying to be anything else would be difficult in the extreme for them. (I think there is also another group that could go either way, and for various reasons, choose to identify as homosexual. But perhaps that's a topic for another day.) BUT -- kids mirror what they see in the home. And if they see two mommies or two daddies, that is going to be "normal" for them, no matter how much the mommies or the daddies tell them that their family is different. They are going to see that as normality, and if they themselves don't fit into that mold, they're going to feel that they are disappointing the parents. (Just like homosexuals so often worry they are disappointing their straight parents.) I'm not a psychologist, but it is just so apparent that what kids grow up with is what they see as normal, even if they learn better later on. I myself grew up in a really warped and abusive family (not homosexuality -- other stuff), and even though I've done the therapy thing and observed other "normal" families a lot since then, I still fall right back into those patterns unless I really watch out and force myself not to. What you see is what you learn is normal!

I don't know what the answer is here. I am not at all calling homosexual parents "perverts," because research has shown for a long time that most pedophiles are heterosexual. I believe homosexuals when they say they just want to be parents, and I feel for them.

But what is in the best interests of children? Unfortunately, we will not know the answer to this until about 20 years from now, when large numbers of children who have been in this situation grow up and start their own families. I just hope they are not as damaged as I fear some of them may be.

9 posted on 12/16/2004 12:56:46 AM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (http://sonoma-moderate.blogspot.com/)
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To: AskStPhilomena
Homosexuals cannot see that they are denying the child it's right to a normal childhood with both a mother AND a father.

They've reduced the child's right to have what he/she needs to be emotionally complete because they're blinded with selfishness. Your sexual preference should not outweigh the rights of a child to have a complete normal family environment. Think of the child and what would be best for child!

Damn! people are selfish!

I feel the same way for children that have their lives ripped apart because one parent or the other selfishly put their own wants needs desires before those of their children and get a divorce for selfish reasons! Should be a capital crime to spiritually and emotionally torture a child like that. /rant.

10 posted on 12/16/2004 2:44:05 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (Perversion is not a civil right.)
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To: AskStPhilomena

Great article! Thanks for posting.


11 posted on 12/16/2004 2:46:44 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (Perversion is not a civil right.)
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To: AskStPhilomena
And they typically have a choice in a hetero couple adoption? Just wondering......

Where children have no voice...

12 posted on 12/16/2004 2:49:15 AM PST by Ready4Freddy (Carpe Sharpei !)
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To: AskStPhilomena
Why not just physically beat and emotionally torture children until they're comatose or dead!

Preferable to adoption by SICK, VILE, INSIDIOUSLY PERVERTED PSYCHOPATHIC PEDAPHILES... As for the rest of you mentally ill freaks, simply drop "pedophile" - your identity remains known to all of us.
14 posted on 12/16/2004 5:38:07 AM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: AskStPhilomena

A win-win for the nanny state. The abused children need counseling and Child Protective Services, and the public will quickly give the green light for the state to start intruding further into the child-rearing of all (since they can't single out gays in the statutes).


17 posted on 12/16/2004 7:28:00 AM PST by Teacher317
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"SCIENTIFIC ACTIVISM" AT PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATIONS

Such confusion in the minds of children raised by homosexual partners should cause grave public concern. However, several professional health and counseling associations have published statements favoring the homosexual lifestyle and their adoption of children in an expression of what some have called "scientific activism."


The infiltration of the 'professional' medical and scientific associations by homosexual activists was ( and continues to be ) part of a well planned and well financed campaign to redefine homosexuality as normal. They started by infiltrating the American Psychiatric Association, with the goal removing homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

Make no mistake, the homosexual activists knew exactly what they were doing in the days leading up to the removal of homosexuality from the DSM. Once they had control of the American Psychiatric Association, all the other 'professional' organizations ( such as the American Psychological Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Mental Health Association, etc.) fell in line and now accept, and march to, the APA's pro-homosexual party line. Click here (then scroll down the page to "The American Academy of Pediatrics") for a list of other pro-homosexual 'professional' associations that toe each others' homosexual agenda lines.

Forcing the removal of homosexuality from the DSM was the homosexual community's greatest achievement. It permitted them to claim that "homosexuality is normal" and set the stage to present this "normalcy" to the general public via a well planned media campaign ( outlined in 'The Overhauling of Straight America' ), and to kids in the public schools via Kevin Jennings' GLSEN. Kids as young as kindergarten age are now being indoctrinated with "homosexuality is normal" propaganda.

It wasn't science, but rather pro-homosexual activism that was, and continues to be, the primary force behind policy changes and the politically correct statments made by the APA and the majority of the other "professional" medical and scientific organizations.


For documentation of homosexual activism in both the APA's and the AAP, see the following replies in scripter's "Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Revision 1.1)" thread:

American Psychological Association: 121, 240, 242, 300, 329, 331, 336, and 357.

American Psychiatric Association: 46, 139, 213, 232, 237, 239, 241, 243, 246, 300, 363, and 364.

American Academy of Pediatrics: 284

21 posted on 12/16/2004 8:20:30 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: AskStPhilomena
Adoption is the only recourse for homosexuals to the Roe effect so they can perpetuate their agenda...at least until surrogate mothers and medical science incorporate as baby manufacturers.

Gays will continue to play God until the government steps in and gives the the title itself.

We need to stop this crap now by getting the loony leftist off the bench.

22 posted on 12/16/2004 8:27:05 AM PST by animoveritas (Dispersit superbos mente cordis sui.)
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Hmmmmm his/her real parents, died, got locked up , is a drug addict, abandoned him/her. Let's pile on and award him/her to gay couple. Sick!


35 posted on 12/17/2004 9:35:34 PM PST by John Lenin
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ping


37 posted on 06/07/2005 2:52:37 PM PDT by RedTail
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