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Will Legislature pick governor? It could happen
The Seattle Times ^ | 15 December 2004 | David Postman

Posted on 12/15/2004 9:47:44 AM PST by JosefK

Will Legislature pick governor? It could happen

By David Postman Seattle Times chief political reporter

OLYMPIA — The state Supreme Court's unanimous rejection of the Democratic Party's recount lawsuit yesterday settled — for the moment, at least — the legal issues in the contentious governor's election.

But it also raised the prospect of the fight moving back into the political arena, with questions about whether the eventual loser will use a vaguely worded provision in the state constitution to try to force the Legislature to overturn the result.

That, according to one attorney, "is the ultimate nuclear weapon in the process."

Most observers acknowledge that the possibility of giving politicians the final say on who will be the next governor remains slim. But attorneys on both sides have mentioned that possibility in legal briefs and letters. And both sides point the finger the other way, with each party warning that it expects its foes to take the unprecedented step of going to the Legislature if it loses the recount.

The state Supreme Court yesterday made fast work of the lawsuit filed earlier this month by the Democratic Party. Less than 24 hours after hearing arguments, justices issued a unanimous decision, saying the court would not order election officials to reconsider thousands of previously rejected ballots, as Democrats had requested.

The court said state law makes clear that a recount should "retabulate" votes already counted and that county canvassing boards cannot be ordered to look again at ballots thrown out during the first two tallies. The court also said there was no call to mandate a statewide standard for signature checking of absentee and provisional ballots.

"What it says is that you shouldn't change the rules in the middle of the election," Republican candidate Dino Rossi, a former state senator, said yesterday.

Rossi, who led Democrat Christine Gregoire after the Nov. 2 balloting and the machine recount, would not say what he would do if he ended up on the losing end of the current recount. That hand recount is expected to be completed next week.

State Democratic Party Chairman Paul Berendt said in a statement that he was disappointed in the ruling and that the party continues to believe "legitimate ballots were thrown out because of a variety of governmental mistakes."

Mixed signals

There are two scenarios under which the loser in the hand recount could contest the result, meaning a specific challenge to the validity of the election.

There's a process in state law that calls for hearings before a judge if there are allegations of fraud or negligence in the election. After hearing evidence, a judge could rule that the election be "annulled and set aside."

But what's raising eyebrows in the legal and political worlds is the prospect that instead of following that law, the loser might go directly to the Legislature under a provision in the state constitution.

Gregoire would not, spokesman Morton Brilliant said.

"Chris has made it as clear as can be for weeks: Count all the votes, hand-count, and we should live by the results," Brilliant said.

Rossi's camp is less firm.

"Going to the Legislature is not a pretty option and not an option many people want," spokeswoman Mary Lane said. "But if somehow the election results were to be overturned, that would be so unusual we have to reserve all our options."

Most of the attention on the potential for a contested election centers not on state law, but on a much more brief reference in the state constitution.

It's a provision that apparently has never been tested in a race of this magnitude and no one is clear about how it would work.

The constitution gives the Legislature the authority to certify the election of state constitutional officers, including the governor. It says the Legislature has the power to break a tie by a vote of a joint session of the Legislature.

There's not much argument about that.

Less clear is Article III, Section 4 of the constitution, which reads: "Contested elections for such officers shall be decided by the legislature in such manner as shall be determined by law."

Does that refer to the state law that lays out the process for challenging the result before a judge? Or is it a more open invitation to take the dispute directly to lawmakers?

"There are going to be disagreements about that," said Thomas Ahearne, an attorney working as special counsel to Secretary of State Sam Reed.

Democrats say a contested gubernatorial election can be brought directly to the Legislature. No court action is needed, they say. "If there is to be an election contest as to this office, the Constitution requires that it be decided by the Legislature, not the Judiciary, and that would inevitably drag into the early months of next year," Democratic Party attorney David Burman wrote in a letter to the secretary of state Dec. 1.

The timing is important. Today the House is controlled by Democrats, the Senate by Republicans. But Democrats will take control of the Senate on Jan. 11, when new members are sworn in.

That obviously would be a more welcoming place for a Democratic challenge.

Both sides raise the specter of invoking the constitutional challenge as a sort of last resort in the recount — as the ugly, inevitable result of the other side's manipulation of the system.

When the letter from Burman to the secretary of state became public, Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance called the reference to using the Legislature to settle the election "ominous."

But David McDonald, the Democratic Party's chief lawyer, said the contested election was raised in the letter because he believes Rossi will try that avenue if he loses the recount, not Gregoire.

"I do not think that we have ever threatened to go to the Legislature if we were behind," McDonald said. "No matter what my lawyers may have said in the letter that someone else tries to misinterpret, I am the one who makes that decision and I have never threatened to do it."

Rossi's chief attorney, Mark Braden, agrees with his Democratic counterparts on one point: Lawmakers have the final say on a contested election.

"Since the Legislature is the body that certifies the election, ultimately they are in the decision-making position on this," he said.

Braden, a Washington, D.C.-based specialist in election law, said contested elections are rare around the country because most candidates concede after a recount.

"When you get into the contest action, to some degree you have to attack the system to be successful," Braden said. "There is some hesitancy to do that. You are without question undermining the faith in the electoral system. It is the ultimate nuclear weapon in the process."

And not one necessarily welcomed by Democratic lawmakers.

Sen. Adam Kline, D-Seattle, an attorney who will be chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said there is a "popular assumption" that Rossi has won the race, in part because of the Republican's careful postelection public-relations strategy.

That, he said, will put Democrats "on very, very thin ice with the public" if lawmakers get involved in determining the outcome.

"I would be very, very careful here," Kline said. "No matter how thoughtful and surgically precise we approached this, if we were seen publicly as trying to steal an election, the ill will we would invite would be worse than four years of Dino Rossi."

David Postman: 360-943-9882 or dpostman@seattletimes.com


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: christine; christinegregoire; dino; dinorossi; gregoire; marummy; marylane; redundant; rossi
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1 posted on 12/15/2004 9:47:45 AM PST by JosefK
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2 posted on 12/15/2004 9:49:00 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (Zip it Hippie! - http://www.casualconservative.com/)
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To: JosefK

I wonder who they would pick?


3 posted on 12/15/2004 9:50:23 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: JosefK

This would be nothing short of a power grab.


5 posted on 12/15/2004 9:54:17 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: JosefK

"Selected not Elected" works if it's a 'rat selected.


6 posted on 12/15/2004 9:55:18 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: nickcarraway

Both now controled by Democrats. Who do you think?


7 posted on 12/15/2004 9:57:47 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: CyberCowboy777

What's public sentiment running?


8 posted on 12/15/2004 9:59:43 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (George W. Bush -- The Terror of the Terrorists)
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To: JosefK
Sen. Adam Kline, D-Seattle, an attorney who will be chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said there is a "popular assumption" that Rossi has won the race, in part because of the Republican's careful postelection public-relations strategy.

Only because he won two vote counts. But what the heck. Let's not let facts get in the way of "popular assumption".

9 posted on 12/15/2004 10:00:51 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("For those of you watching in black and white, Spurs are in the all yellow."-John Motson, BBC)
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To: Baynative
"I would be very, very careful here," Kline said. "No matter how thoughtful and surgically precise we approached this, if we were seen publicly as trying to steal an election, the ill will we would invite would be worse than four years of Dino Rossi."

Well ... that's what you're trying to do ... you're trying to steal this election. That's been your objective since before the polls closed. If you want to steal it, steal it; you'll pay the price at the next election, but you Dems don't normally care about such things ... you just want POWER ... and you want it NOW.
10 posted on 12/15/2004 10:01:10 AM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: TexasGreg

"Well ... that's what you're trying to do ... you're trying to steal this election. That's been your objective since before the polls closed. If you want to steal it, steal it; you'll pay the price at the next election, but you Dems don't normally care about such things ... you just want POWER ... and you want it NOW."

Hey, why not give the governorship to the damn Democrats? The stupid asses in Washington state who continually elect and re-elect Democrats time and again, over and over, in such large numbers that they now control both houses of the legislature deserve nothing less. What the hell, let the people of Washington state get the kind of government they most certainly deserve!


12 posted on 12/15/2004 10:07:53 AM PST by bowzer313
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To: JosefK

THE LIBERAL CREED (WAS ONCE TODDLER'S CREED)


If I want it, it's mine.
If I give it to you and change my mind later, it's mine.
If I can take it away from you, it's mine.
If I had it a little while ago, it's mine.
If it's mine, it will never belong to anybody else, no matter what.
If we are building something together, all the pieces are mine.
If it looks just like mine, it is mine


13 posted on 12/15/2004 10:11:18 AM PST by Recall
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To: JosefK
Why don't we just save the state some real $$ and cancel all future elections.

Just lock the candidates in a room (no food, no water, no bathroom, no nothing). If you leave the room for ANY reason, you lose. Last one remaining WINS.

No ballots, no stupid voters, no stupid recounts.

/sarcasm off

14 posted on 12/15/2004 10:14:08 AM PST by PetroniDE (Profile of Winners: Red Sox, Patriots, President Bush, Free Republic)
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To: Baynative
Yes, but what was it President Lincoln said about fooling all of the people all of the time? Gregoire's got to know she's on super-thin ice, what with having high name familiarity, and not being able to pull off the traditional 55 to 60 percent Rat win that such status usually gives them.

When a theft occurs, I expect Dino Rossi to give a speech about not putting the voters through any more, reminding them that this election has already cost them an extra million dollars, and expressing regret that he could not have a chance to enact budget reform that does not raise their taxes.

He'd be set up beautifully for a run for the US Senate in 2006. Gregoire can spend her political capital trying to fend off the recall petitions. If they can do it in California, they can do it here, we're just a clone of that state, politically speaking.

15 posted on 12/15/2004 10:14:55 AM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
I got caught on that "popular assumption" line too... So having a majority of the votes is an assumption unless it's an assumed majority for a Democrap, in which case it's a Mandate from the Masses. Just remember, when you make an Assumption you make an Ass out of U and .. mption?
16 posted on 12/15/2004 10:39:34 AM PST by Atomicfever
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To: hunter112
He'd be set up beautifully for a run for the US Senate in 2006. Gregoire can spend her political capital trying to fend off the recall petitions.

Unfortunately, I'm not so sure about that, tho' I'd be glad if I'm wrong--a lot of these left-leaning/liberal states who have no problem with electing a republican, and at times even a conservative one at that for state office, often will never elect one for statewide federal office.

17 posted on 12/15/2004 11:04:19 AM PST by gop_gene
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To: gop_gene
I agree that its probably total BS to think a sitting Senator will be ousted in the Democrat state of Washington, especially since they have gone to such lenghts to steal the present election....

its total corruption.....

the only thing that can be done if Rossi doesn't get it is to referendum the state to dramatically tighten up voting rules and regulations so the simple unimportant people like me have an equal vote with Joe the visiting college student or tramp....

18 posted on 12/15/2004 11:10:55 AM PST by cherry
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To: cherry

Yeah well, I think Maria Cantwell will be a great Senator for another 6 years... and you guys hate John McCain for some absurd reasons.

That said, Go Dino Go!


19 posted on 12/15/2004 11:20:19 AM PST by JosefK (If you have tips on election theft attempts - please call 425.646.7202 (Rossi HQ))
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To: cherry
the only thing that can be done if Rossi doesn't get it is to referendum the state to dramatically tighten up voting rules and regulations so the simple unimportant people like me have an equal vote with Joe the visiting college student or tramp....

You want your vote counted? Move to King county and become a Democrat. You will get the thrill of having your vote counted maybe even 2 or 3 times.

20 posted on 12/15/2004 11:20:46 AM PST by Blue Screen of Death (/i)
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