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Gangs: A vicious cycle ("Los Angeles is a paradise." )
Dailybreeze.com ^ | 12/14/2004 | Lynne Walker

Posted on 12/14/2004 12:41:14 PM PST by nanak

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41 posted on 12/14/2004 1:08:15 PM PST by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: nanak
Let's see, lessons of this article are:
1. The growing gang problem is our fault because we have the audacity to kick them out after allegedly learning their gang trade from US gangsters;
2. They come from broken homes so we should "understand" their anti-social behavior;
3. We should not send them back to their cesspool countries to be hunted down like the dogs they are;
4. We should respect their civil rights and their pursuit of happiness;
5. It's all our fault. Pfft!
42 posted on 12/14/2004 1:08:43 PM PST by A Navy Vet (CARE PACKAGES for our TROOPS: www.opgratitude.com)
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To: joesnuffy

The armorer (an E5) for my Basic company (this was 1989) was looking forward to his impending ETS, so he could get back to his hood and help his homies by converting their weapons to full auto, doing maintenance, training them in marksmanship and general effective weapons handlig, etc etc.


43 posted on 12/14/2004 1:08:54 PM PST by Gefreiter (When seconds count, the police are minutes away.)
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To: truthkeeper
I take it from your post that you do not believe the immigration buck - which is FEDERAL policy - stops with our President?

And tell me what your elected Senators Boxer and Feinstein positions on that Federal policy should be.

44 posted on 12/14/2004 1:10:05 PM PST by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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To: nanak

EASY SOLUTION: Give them due process, them deport them to their home country in accordance with the laws and customs of the U.S.

Once they arrive on their home country, shoot them in the head and be rid of them, in accordance with the customs of places like Central America.


45 posted on 12/14/2004 1:10:33 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (Name a shrub after me - something prickly and hard to eradicate.)
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To: BJungNan
shipping them 90 miles away.

Ship them 90 miles west ...

46 posted on 12/14/2004 1:10:52 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: StoneColdGOP

ILLEGAL ALIENS don't deserve DUE PROCESS


47 posted on 12/14/2004 1:11:05 PM PST by nanak (Tom Tancredo 2008:Last Hope to Save America)
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To: absalom01

Of course, its our fault.


48 posted on 12/14/2004 1:13:04 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Dane
Get back to me when you stop blaming George W. Bush, instead of your Senators Boxer and Feinstein.

Bush heads the Executive Branch. Border policy and enforcement is HIS responsibility. Boxer and Feinstein are no help, as they vote for and advocate open-borders, but they ought to be irrelevant since they are not in the minority of the Legislative Branch. But when Bush is as much an open-borders advocate, it's HIM who has to take responsibility.

49 posted on 12/14/2004 1:13:13 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (Name a shrub after me - something prickly and hard to eradicate.)
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To: Dane
Are you kidding? To stop the flood, of course. The same as the President's position should be.

Sadly, they're all on the same page...the wrong one.

50 posted on 12/14/2004 1:13:38 PM PST by truthkeeper (Yeah, I have a 1998 signup date. So?)
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To: nanak

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain


51 posted on 12/14/2004 1:14:14 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: nanak

bump for later read


52 posted on 12/14/2004 1:14:41 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: nanak
ILLEGAL ALIENS don't deserve DUE PROCESS

I AGREE! But for some damn reason, every time I hear about lawsuits connected to illegals, their lawyers always claim about THEIR rights under OUR Constitution.

I haven't yet seen anything about a judge ruling that only citizens of, legal residents, and legal visitors to the U.S. can enjoy its protections while in its territory. Wish I would.

53 posted on 12/14/2004 1:15:15 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (Name a shrub after me - something prickly and hard to eradicate.)
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To: nanak
"I sound like Paul Revere riding across the country and shouting the alarm, 'The gangs are coming. The gangs are coming,'" said Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton

Sure he has.

City Council Approves William Bratton as LAPD's 54th Chief of Police

From within the Department, Mr. Bratton said he'll invite ideas from every quarter, with the understanding that once a policy is decided on and set it will be followed.

Among his top priority crime fighting commitments are domestic violence, gang and narcotic trafficking crimes, and hate crimes of all kinds.

The candidate said he has a commitment to Special Order 40, and to serving all the residents, regardless of race, color, or legal status. He believes, he said, in the inclusion of the community in all areas ... specifically mentioned the Community-Police Advisory Boards. He sees an opportunity for partnerships with the now emerging Neighborhood Councils.


REPORT OF THE

RAMPART INDEPENDENT REVIEW PANEL


A Report to the Los Angeles Board of Police Commissioners

Concerning Special Order 40

Prior to 1979, the Los Angeles Police Department required officers who came into contact with a person suspected of being in the United States illegally to determine the person’s immigration status and notify the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service (“INS”) if the person was an undocumented alien. This was required even if the person was not the subject of a police investigation or a criminal charge. Many in the communities served by the LAPD believed that this requirement led to widespread abuse, and Latino citizens, legal immigrants and undocumented persons felt intimidated and threatened by the very officers who were charged with their protection. In addition, the LAPD itself was concerned that the immigrant communities would not report crimes or assist the Department in criminal investigations if individuals were afraid that any contact could lead to deportation.

To address these concerns, the LAPD formed an ad hoc committee to study the issues and to formulate policies and procedures concerning contacts with undocumented persons - whether as suspects, crime victims, or witnesses. As a result of the committee’s recommendations, on November 27, 1979, Chief of Police Darryl Gates issued Special Order 40, which is now codified in the LAPD Manual.

As set forth in the Manual, Special Order 40 provides that “[u]ndocumented alien status in itself is not a matter for police action. It is, therefore, incumbent upon all employees of this Department to make a personal commitment to equal enforcement of the law and service to the public, regardless of alien status.” Special Order 40 precludes LAPD officers from initiating “police action with the objective of discovering the alien status of a person,” and from arresting or booking a person for “illegal entry” into the United States.

LOL! Los Angeles gets what it deserves.

54 posted on 12/14/2004 1:17:08 PM PST by Fatalis
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To: BJungNan
Al Quieda is a gang. These people are no different. When we finish with them bring back the Special Forces and SEALS that hunted them down and send them to LA. Give them one chance at surrender then it's DEAD OR ALIVE. The former more than the latter.
55 posted on 12/14/2004 1:17:09 PM PST by El Buscador (Speak softly but carry a big stick and use it.)
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To: truthkeeper
Its good to see that our resident illegal alien apologists are no longer trying to defend their position on moral grounds.

On the other hand, I find their new tactic of claiming the decisions made by anonymous juries, enscounced politicians, etc. in their own interests exacerbating the problem are actually OUR fault a little puzzling.

56 posted on 12/14/2004 1:17:27 PM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: nanak

Being of Mexican decent and a U.S. citizen (former Army Reserve), I'm all for gang injunctions and deporting gang members on the spot.

However, I still see many gang members hanging out on these so-called "safety zones", with no sign of police anywhere.

I take it upon myself to call the police on these gang members constantly. Yet, as I pass by hours later, the thugs are still there and no sign of the cops.

What I'm trying to say is gangs are on the LAPD's radar, but still not given the attention it deserves.

I constantly nag and complain to my "elected" officials about needing tougher laws, but I always get the typical response claiming they are doing their best.

I'm planning on moving to a nicer area, but in the meantime, I'm definitely arming myself because after reading this article, its just a matter of time before I'm confronted by one of these thugs.

What do people suggest I arm myself with?


57 posted on 12/14/2004 1:18:43 PM PST by Centrist
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To: Fatalis

Two words: Gated Community.


58 posted on 12/14/2004 1:18:49 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Dane

Hate to burst your bubble, but immigration is a Federal responsibility. California, and recently Arizona, have passed initiatives to deal with this problem, only to be shot down by liberal judges. I, being a native Californian of 54 years have the right to "whine" after seeing much of the California dream turned into a nightmare.


59 posted on 12/14/2004 1:19:06 PM PST by A Navy Vet (CARE PACKAGES for our TROOPS: www.opgratitude.com)
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To: Centrist

AK forty seven


60 posted on 12/14/2004 1:20:03 PM PST by nanak (Tom Tancredo 2008:Last Hope to Save America)
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