Gangs: A vicious cycle ("Los Angeles is a paradise." )

Dailybreeze.com ^ | 12/14/2004 | Lynne Walker

[absalom01]

What I'm trying to say is gangs are on the LAPD's radar, but still not given the attention it deserves.

The LAPD is operating under a federal consent decree that has greatly diminished their ablility to be pro-active. Consider that, the huge number of "slick-sleeves" (ie, rookie officers), opportunists like Steven Yagman, and the extraordinary level of violence that is being directed against the police, and you don't have a formula for effective law enforcement.

[FierceDraka]

Interesting article. I like Honduras' approach - you join a gang, it's off to the friggin' Twilight Zone.

I advocate physical castration as penalty for gang membership. They'll be stigmatized and treated as pariahs in their own machismo-infested communities (or zoos, for lack of a better term).

[B4Ranch]

>El Salvador followed suit with its own version of what has become known as the Mano Dura, or "firm hand" law, which allows police to detain any young man with a gang tattoo. Mexico's southernmost state of Chiapas moved in that direction in May, approving five-year prison sentences for simply belonging to a gang.<

THAT IS PROFILING!! IT MUST STOP IMMEDIATELY!!

[festus]

Where are the Cheap Labor loving 'can't-deport-'em-all' folks on these threads?

Present!

[Kurt_D]

The crackdown has raised international concerns that gang members are being hunted down and killed by police. Even so, governments throughout the Americas are pushing ahead to forge a united front against the 18th Street and MS 13 gangs. Well, I am not concerned at all if police or paramilitary groups execute this vermin.

[whd23]

And it is obvious that you don't have a basic grasp of the Founding Fathers intent.

So you're contending that the Founding Fathers didn't intend for the Executive branch to inforce the laws on the books?

Once again you display an amazing lack of thinking ability.

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

Your town is next.

[Heyworth]

It's akin, IMO, to a commander whose is having troubles during the Battle of the Bulge who would lay the blame at Churchill and FDR, instead of hitler.

And if Churchill and FDR had prevented the commander from fighting the way he knew he needed to fight, if they had forced him to sit still while Germans flooded through his lines, if they had ordered him to feed the German soldiers in the same way he was feeding his own men, I'd say that he had a point in blaming them instead of HItler for the mess he was in.

[B4Ranch]

4 X 4 pickups don't even notice them.

[FITZ]

"We've done a great job of exporting the gang culture all over the world," said Al Valdez,

Blame America --- hispanic countries send us their riff-raff and gang-bangers --- and somehow we're exporting crime by sending them back where they belong? Mr Valdez ---- what we've done is a really great job of importing the gang culture from all over the world.

[1_Inch_Group]

It's our fault their country is run by criminals, it's our fault they cross the border, it's our fault they drive without licenses, and our fault they have to use emergency rooms for doctors.

Now it's our fault they're gang banging lops of cr@p. We're exporting gang culture by sending their gang bangers home?

Right. This is getting beyond ridiculous.

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

The remaining members of our people should begin thinking of Vigilance Committees. They are not nice, but they work.

[Mr. Mojo]

Ever see the movie Magnum Force?

Harry Callahan: "Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of guys." / sarc

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Harry Callahan: "Nothing wrong with shooting as long as the right people get shot."

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Harry Callahan: "Briggs, I hate the damn system, but until someone comes along with changes that make sense, I'll stick with it."

Lieutenant Briggs: "You're about to become extinct, Callahan."

[Minutes later, Briggs became extinct himself]

"A man's got to know his limitations."

[technochick99]

"I am afraid of the police. Nobody can stop them," he said. "If they send you to prison in Honduras you are going directly to your death."

While not condoning the actions of the police in Honduras, I would think that this alone would make people think twice before joining gangs. Perhaps our "exporting" of the gang problem in returning people back to their country will be a net positive for the US.

[janetgreen]

The crackdown has raised international concerns that gang members are being hunted down and killed by police.

Reminds me of the old movie "The Star Chamber", where a group of police killed the gangsters who were guilty but could not be convicted because of liberal laws and crooked lawyers. I found myself cheering for the cops.

[Marauder]

I've got one in my back yard that I just got through pruning. That damn thing fought back all the way, and I have the marks to show it.

If you threw someone into one of those things, they'd never get out. And no one could get through if several were used as a fence.

[bigsigh]

The plot you describe was a dirty harry movie Magnum Force. In the star chamber a select few, judges etc decided which criminals who were getting away needed to be killed and contracted for their killing.

[janetgreen]

You're right, I was getting those two movies mixed up. I liked them both!

[A Navy Vet]

"And I'm sick of damn fools blaming every ill in the country on California. Yeah, we've got plenty of liberal idiots here - that's the main reason we can't get rid of Boxer or Feinstein, but before you get all high and mighty, remember that 48% or so of the US voted for Kerry. That's a lot of liberal idiots in the country, including your state."

Good point. The problematic illegal invasion has little to do with the California representatives (or other states for that matter) as much as it does with the federal Executive Branch failing to enforce those very representatives' statuates regarding our sovereignty. The representatives made the laws, it's up to the President to enforce them. That is simply one of the few federal responsibilities proscribed in the Constititution assigned to the Executive Branch - law enforcement. End story. It is unargueable.

[usadave]

You are correct about the schedule of those of you who whine and complain about California, and blaming everybody else, except yourselves, Californians.

Nice whine.