Posted on 12/14/2004 7:14:55 AM PST by wkdaysoff
HARRISBURG, Pa. — The state American Civil Liberties Union (search) plans to file a federal lawsuit Tuesday against a Pennsylvania school district that is requiring students to learn about alternatives to the theory of evolution (search).
The ACLU said its lawsuit will be the first to challenge whether public schools should teach "intelligent design," which holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by some higher power....
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The link came via a metacrawler search, turkey. I read the article twice. By the way, I'm not a biblical literalist. I was just pointing out to your atheist buddy, shryke, that the canyon was cut much faster than previously thought.
Why so defensive? Do you believe being on the same side as the ACLU to be a bad thing?
RiW seems to be trying. Very trying, to be sure, and unfortunately apparently ignorant on an incurable level, but at least she's trying rather than just tossing out nothing but mindless insults, like ALS did.
I have trouble understanding what God has to do with right and wrong. If murder and rape are not wrong in and of themselves, how can the existence of God make them so? Are creationists saying that God can make something right or worong simply by being powerful enough to punish offenders? Is that what makes right and wrong -- power? What is Satan were more powerful? Would believers start worshiping Satan because he would have the power to punish?
My point, lest it be lost, is that Godd is presumably worthy of worship because He is good, not because he is powerful. Any creationist disagree? And goodness must exist independently, or there is no point in choosing.
Few are aware that Scaliger and Petavius had brought chronology to "perfection" and "absolutely precise datings" quoting the year, day, month, and sometimes even the time of day for all principal events in [the] history of humankind.
I'm not even whelmed!
Unfortunately, but hardly surprisingly, the author seems to have overlooked the Chinese, Indian, and other Eastern chronologies of human history which differ from his comic conclusions. I think I'll save my $24.95.
That's what I thought. That's why I asked the question.
Yes. We had a worthwhile discussion about the Constitution in another thread. Reason can prevail. But maybe not in the matter of core religious belief. Still, if the Catholic Church could come around, there's always hope.
That's what I thought. So basically, you witnessed the final outcome of what you believe took many thousands of years. Unless one was older than Methuselah, one would not be able to actually witness it happening.
Yes, I do deny some things you claim as fact and manipulating data to fit a certain agenda does not make it a fact - unless you have little faith and need a humanist explanation. Am I like a child? Yes, I am in awe of this great world and know that no matter how hard I try, my human brain is incapable of understanding it to a point of certainty. Since you belief you can, I guess your a mature adult.
I think we're making progress, you and I. To me, Genesis falsifies, and to you, it contradicts. Fair enough.
The news of my death is greatly exaggerated lol
Their position vis a vis the Boy Scouts pisses me off.
Ignorance is a prerequisite for both EVO's and Creationists. But thanks for the benefit of the doubt.
What would you want the Catholic Church to come around to?
You CAN observe and reasonably calculate erosion on hard stone over time. You need a microscope and controlled conditions.
Grand Canyon Young, Carved Quickly
“Did it take a little water a lot of time, or a lot of water a little time?” is a riddle posed often by creation geologists. This year’s official Grand Canyon newsletter, handed out to visitors at the entrance stations, is already mentioning the latter as gaining acceptance by geologists. Each year at the canyon rim, ICR scientists have made the case that the canyon shows evidence of rapid erosion. There is a major paradigm shift taking place among uniformitarian geologists, based on what — religious bias or Biblical literalism? No — the evidence. Why not turn the claim of bias around and say that the millions of years story was based on uniformitarian bias? Increasingly, uniformitarianism, championed by Charles Lyell in the 1800s and taken for granted for 150 years, has been seen to be just that, a bias that colored the interpretation of geological formations and stretched them falsely into millions of years of gradual processes. If Grand Canyon, the textbook example, has been shown to be a youthful feature formed quickly, then what of the others? Actually, this story needs further revision. There is also evidence that the layers themselves formed quickly; huge boulders of Shinumo quartzite in the Tapeats sandstone; no evidence of multimillion-year time gaps between the Muav and Temple Butte formations, between the Hermit and Coconino layers, and between the Kaibab and Toroweap limestones; the vast extent of uniform strata, such as the highly-crossbedded Coconino sandstone, are examples. Other evidence indicates the upper parts of the canyon were also carved quickly. The Redwall limestone’s amphitheater-shaped side canyons appear to have been formed by sapping, and higher-elevation structures along the rim such as Cedar Mountain and Red Butte appear to be remnants of an episode of sheet erosion on a gigantic scale. In addition, the million-year radioactive dates commonly attributed to Grand Canyon lava flows have been called into question by creation geologists doing independent research. These and many other evidences are discussed in ICR’s excellent book Grand Canyon, Monument to Catastrophe. You will never look at Grand Canyon the same. Now that secular geologists are coming up with interpretations that are increasingly similar to those of creationists, let this be a lesson from history. Generations of tourists have been fed a flawed story based on philosophical presuppositions. They were not given alternatives. The story was presented with all the authority of establishment science, and undoubtedly caused many unprepared tourists to doubt the Genesis record. Now, in our time, we have watched a startling reversal of a story that seemed etched in stone. What other uniformitarian stories, like dams with cracks, are posed for a monumental collapse? We have numerous candidates right here; check through our Chain Links on Geology and Dating Methods for examples.
Please never refer to me as an atheist again. I am not, nor do I refer to you as something you are not.
They pardoned Galileo. They accept his method of resolving apparent conflicts between scripture and science. And they have no conflict with the theory of evolution.
Faith can never conflict with reason. The Pope's statement on Galileo and science/scripture conflicts.
The Pope's 1996 statement on evolution. Physical evolution is not in conflict with Christianity.
When examining the evidence of the Grand Canyon, is the critically important idea how long it took to carve, or what the exposed layers tell us about the age and history of the Earth?
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