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To: DirtyHarryY2K

You know what, there are demented heterosexual killers out there to. You can't paint a whole group of people for what a few do.

As far as hate crimes legislation goes, we already have degrees on murder. If I make an elaborate plan to kill you I will be charged with 1st degree murder. If you and I get into an argument and then in the heat of it I pick up a bat and smash your head in it is second degree murder, and so on. I think society should punish someone harder when they are trying to terrorize a whole segment of people.

In fact to my knowledge the first person charged with a hate crime was a black in pittsburg who shot a white guy that lived in his apartment building. He was making racial comments about the person that other people overheard and when they searched his apartment found alot of black power, kill whitey crap.


12 posted on 12/13/2004 2:59:14 AM PST by armordog99
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To: armordog99
I think society should punish someone harder when they are trying to terrorize a whole segment of people.

There is no "hate crime" provisions protecting people who are, say Republican, from violence of say Democrats. There were fights, shootings, arson, and swastika graffiti directed at Republicans this year. NONE would qualify as a hate crime (not even with the swastika since it was not a minority being targeted and a minority targeting members of the same minority also would not be ruled a hate crime).

I understand protecting race, creed/religion, color, nationality, etc. and even man/woman but there is NO basis for "special protection" of followers of specific sexual fetishes. "Transvestites" are protected under homosexual hate crime descriptions. There is no "wear the clothes of the opposite sex" gene. We are born naked. It is all cultural environment and mental disorder to have a desire to dress as a member of the opposite sex.

You have the right to practice whatever religion that you want. You have the same right to follow whatever politics that you want. Most sexual acts have been legalized by the Supreme Court decision (although prostitution and other acts in private between consenting adults are STILL illegal) so some would say that you have the right to follow whatever sexual fetish that you want.

Why are sex acts protected as religion is when political persuasion is not? If someone is denied a job because he is a conservative, isn't this as bad as someone being turned down for a job because he is a homosexual?

18 posted on 12/13/2004 3:33:41 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: armordog99

True, but murder is still murder no mater what degree you use.


20 posted on 12/13/2004 3:41:44 AM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: armordog99

As Martin Luther King Jrs neice so aptly noted some years
ago --it is wrong to compare sexual behavior to civil rights. Her father and her uncle were murdered because they
were black. No appologies to Michael Jackson--never met any
black who successfully changed the color of their skin.
Never met any homosexual who was ever treated the way blacks were treated--abused just because of the color of
their skin. M.S. was not murdered because he was "Gay".
Not murdered to attack his race.I've known too many who
were not homosexual ,but decided they were,Known too many who thought they had been born that way but decided they were not.


25 posted on 12/13/2004 4:13:59 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: armordog99
You know what, there are demented heterosexual killers out there to. You can't paint a whole group of people for what a few do.

Sure we can. The top 10 (or is it 15) serial murderers practiced homosexual behavior (in fact a large percentage of serial murderes are sodomites)

Sodomites commit over 35% of the child molestation in this country yet are only 2-3% of the population

Sodomites spread STDs at a far higher rate than mentally healthy (heterosexual) people do.

In short, every person who chooses to practice homosexual behavior must be considered a disease ridden (even beyond the homosexuality itself) child molesting, murderer. Of course not all are but the odds are greatly in your favor that if you think the worst of them you'll be correct.

60 posted on 12/13/2004 10:23:28 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: armordog99
The problem is that the Hate Crmie legislation is not applied equally to all. Blacks who assault and murder whites, while using epithets and racist language, almost never face Hate Crime extensions to their sentences. Read about the Wichita Massacre for the worst example.
116 posted on 12/14/2004 9:53:57 AM PST by Teacher317
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