Posted on 12/12/2004 4:26:54 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran
After spending several years starting oil exploration crews for Pemex and re-reading Atlas Shrugged, I think I have The reason Mexico has become so bad.
I like the Mexican people in the fly over parts of Mexico. The mid level and workers of Pemex are good. It is the government and the high up in Pemex that are the vultures and looters. The peso was about 8 cents (12.5 to a dollar). When Pemex found the sito grande, a very large oil pool that covers parts of the states of Chiapas and Tabasco also a long ways into the Gulf of Mexico.
Pemex borrowed billions to produce this great oil find. The looters (government) stole most of the money and what they did buy was junk oil rigs and drill pipe, etc. 1,000 pesos which was worth about $80 now will not buy a coke. This was due to the looters stealing billions from the Mexican people.
Instead of overthrowing the looters the Mexican people had an out, they had no weapons and they could cross into America and have a much safer life. This hurts both Mexico and America as Mexico lost some of it's hardest workers. The gangbangers also came over from Mexico as they could rape and pillage at will.
The government of Mexico is propped up by the billions sent back by the illegals and by our government having borders that are too open.
The only chance I see to help America and Mexico is to seal the border, deport the people who are not here legaly. We also need to arm the Mexican people so they can have a chance against the looters with their armies.
Most of the worlds population are held back by corupt governments. Given a chance to they well rise above and make a better life for themselfs.
I agree with your assessment. We certainly are not going to invade Mexico, but if the U.S. would close the valve on the pressure cooker and turn up the heat, the Mexican people might actually do something. I find it hard to understand after so many have been to America to work and see how a True Republic is suppose to work, sewers, hospitals, schools etc etc, why don't they do something to change Mexico?
True and the people of these countries are not armed.
The only ones who have sources for arms are the drug
dealers and the ones who want to over throw the governments to get power for themselves.
These just want to change one corrupt government for a different type of corruption.
The ag collectives known as "ejidos" are being converted into private property, displacing many.
Your article brought up some good points, and sealing the borders and deporting illegals would work,but don't hold your breath.There's just too much incentive($$$) to maintain the status quo on both sides of the border. The losers as usual are the little people(working class) in Mexico + the US.
It will only work if the people in Mexico are armed.
Well, fixing Mexico seems to be something we should think about. The border 'problem' is beyond belief and we can't ignore it. Happily, it's become a US political problem, so something will finally be done.
Don't forget about the hate America first crowd. We will be blamed, count on it.
You are correct. The problem is corruption. The corruption has its foundation in the belief system. That is the absolute truth historically and now. Cannot post any more about the belief system or the post will be pulled.
So those who are crossing illegally into the US, violating our labor laws, refusing to become part of our culture except the part that knows how to loot the welfare system are government and those "high up"?
I submit that the Latin American culture in general is corrupt. I remember a long time ago in school where we had to take these "situational ethics" sessions where questions were raised like "If you and your family were hungry would you steal for food?" I suppose the percentage of people saying "No" today would be probably lower than the church going community I was living in then, but even our bums ask for money rather than assuming that they are entitled to it and just take it like the growing welfare and criminal class in the US today does.
Instead of overthrowing the looters the Mexican people had an out...,
That "out" is called an election. Just like we have here in the US. We The People could have elected a Pemex officer like JOhn F'ing Kerry, but we chose a lesser of two evils and have this administration.
...they had no weapons
Yeah, but we have weapons and machinery and chemicals to improvise much more, it doesn't mean that gunning down your elected official is going to get you anywhere except a long prison sentence.
In fact, just cruise around FreeRepublic and note the direction most if not all of Latin America is heading when they do have the opportunity to vote - they are deliberately adding to their problems by voting in hard core Marxists and Socialists. According to reports, the Mexican citizens are going to keep this pattern of electing public officials and their party of corrupt thieves into power. We thought that our president was Vicente's bitch, just wait until the scum of the earth regain power in the US.
and they could cross into America and have a much safer life.
And that crap needs to stop too. As long as the peoples of the South have an escape valve, they will continue their stupid, selfish, and corrupt politics and just "cross into America" and bring their loathsome ways with them when their own decisions mature into a horrific nightmare. What I am afraid of is that our government is filled with the same kind of seditionists that inhabit the legislatures of Europe that think it is a great idea to flood the culture with people who hate our culture, want to keep their own destructive ways but want to do it on our dime and our infrastructure that we have taken decades if not centuries to put together. They have no "flesh in the game". Why get educated, raise honest children and work hard, passing on a strong positive ethic to the next generation of Producers when you can slip into a wealthy country in the middle of the night and just loot it? At least people used to resist the Vikings.
As you have pointed out "they had no weapons". We do, and unless our own government figures out that most of the US is against this invasion of Takers who only know how to attach themselves to the Producers via the powers of the Police State (you did read "Atlas Shrugged", right) and ironically by simultaneously violating the inconvenient laws of that same State, a segment of the US population may find a "new" use for those sporting goods What good is that escape valve then when the mortality rate rises?
About what year was that? Didn’t pesos get replaced with “new pesos” about 15 years ago. Are those now devalued as well.
There was a kind of frontier rawness to Mexico that I liked when traveling by motorcycle, but also a sense of fascism and danger that detracts.
Mexicans rebelled against their corrupt, dictatorial government in 1910, led by idealistic reformers. The result was the Mexican Revolution, the bloodiest war ever fought in North America. Well over 1 million died and I've read estimates as high as 3 million. The reformers won and the current corrupt mess is the result. I have no confidence that a new revolution will be any less bloody or pointless. This may be as good as it gets.
The invasion only really started after the looters robbed the Mexican people of the billions.
Yes a lot of the people in the last 25 years are after our
socialist rewards, but some are good people.
Until our borders are are enforced and the people of Mexico are armed there will be no stopping the invasion.
Now the only people armed in Mexico are the drug dealers, corrupt army and communist terrorists.
I know where you're going with that. Agreed.
I also agree that they would have to solve the problems amongst themselves (ie. 'pressure cooker'). There is a strong Nationalist bent amongst all Mexicans and, like Iraq, any US involvement would galvanize many to fight the gringos no matter how well intentioned we are in getting involved in their affairs.
However, the problem with your scenario is that things COULD get worse with a real Socialist, ala Fidel, getting into power down there (IMHO). Any unstable or outwardly belligerent neighbor would not be to our advantage. Nonetheless, maybe the situation could be 'steered'? The problem here though is who would do the 'steering'. (Another CIA-engineered coup to stoke the conspiracy-buffs?)
In the end, I have no good answer to this problem.
"Mexicans rebelled against their corrupt, dictatorial government in 1910, led by idealistic reformers. The result was the Mexican Revolution, the bloodiest war ever fought in North America. Well over 1 million died and I've read estimates as high as 3 million. The reformers won and the current corrupt mess is the result."
The Mexican Revolution was the first successful Communist Revolution to occur in the 20th century, happening before the Russian Revolution and before the Spanish Communists' failed effort and the Chinese Communists' successful one. The Mexican government has operated under the principles of Marxism ever since, up to and including today. The Mexican people live with the detritus of a failed economic and political system that they have enabled for the past 90 years. The sweep of Marxism/Communism in the last hundred years has murdered many, many millions around the world. Mexico and the Mexicans will continue to live like turd-worlders until they shed all the trappings of this failed Marxist/Communist ideology and implement free market policies and the rule of law.
Don't hold your breath. At bottom, these people are Aztecs.
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