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Mathematics bombshell: God 'confirmed in Bible'
World Net Daily ^ | December 12, 2004

Posted on 12/12/2004 3:07:51 AM PST by The Loan Arranger

For a lot of people, the Bible and mathematics are dry subjects, but not for Edwin Sherman – he believes he's found how the two fit together.

Sherman, founder of the Isaac Newton Bible Code Research Society and a professional mathematician, is convinced that the Hebrew Bible contains coded messages that are evidence of God's authorship of the Bible. His book, "Bible Code Bombshell: Compelling Scientific Evidence that God Authored the Bible," describes numerous examples of encoded phrases and sentences that are both lengthy and relevant to the text where they were found.

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Codes and a U.S. Presidential Election—Part 2

U.S. Presidential Election Cluster
By Moshe Aharon Shak
Copyright © October 2004 by Moshe Aharon (Morris) Shak

The art and science of doing the codes—Part 2

In the first article of this two-part series, I described various terms that on the surface appear to outline the imminent USA election. In particular, one matrix stands out. It starts at Numbers Chapter 24, Verse 1, Letter 48 and ends at Numbers Chapter 29, Verse 15, Letter 7.

While there is no doubt in my mind that this matrix deals with the presidential election that takes place on Tuesday, the terms being just too prominent to think otherwise, there is also no doubt that these codes do not predict the winner of the election. I am sure that many other Bible code researchers would use some of the terms in the matrix to conclude that the Democrat candidate will win. However some researchers can present strong arguments on behalf of the Republican candidate.

Two or More Witnesses

If we were to listen to only one lawyer in a trial, we would probably agree with his conclusions. This is why we need a lawyer for and against, as well as several witnesses. In my writings, I always make a point of having at least two or three witnesses, or confirming codes, for a case. More important is that all of the witnesses for an argument have, for all practical purposes, a similar story.

Looking at the "Art"

So, let us try to be fair and look at the "art" of doing the codes. To begin with, the matrix that was presented did not really produce a "good" name of a supposed winner. I looked for either Democrats or Republicans, but I did not find a "George Bush" or a "John Kerry" in this matrix. In the past, I was able to produce convincing election predictions based upon the name of the winner and/or party. In my mind, the art in the codes says "do not give up," so not finding full names of the candidates or parties, how else can one look for clues? The parties are identified with other clues such as "donkey," "elephant," "GOP" and "DNC." In principal that is an acceptable approach, and it did produce very interesting results.

The results of the searches I made, however, presented in the earlier article, still rely heavily on the art portion of doing the codes. Many issues were not resolved on many levels. Several specific issues must be considered:

a. Are abbreviations allowed? I believe that they are, but no one has shown convincingly either way whether they are acceptable or not.

b. Is a very short term acceptable to be snooped to a larger term? I believe that it is acceptable as long as the snooped term is the one with the lowest skip in the area examined. Not every one shares my view. At this point, I have several good examples that I am correct. On the other hand, we need much more than several good examples.

c. Is a transliteration of an abbreviation acceptable? In my SARS matrix, the transliteration worked well. That is my only experience. On the other hand, is a transliteration here and there comparable? The point can be argued, because there are other letters that are possible to use in a transliteration of an acronym like DNC, as there is no direct equivalent to C in the Hebrew alphabet.

d. Are Hebrew spellings of elephant and donkey a good way to refer to the American parties? Probably it is correct, but how can I be sure? Furthermore, once again the terms happen to be extremely short.

To accept or reject any of the above would not be scientific, in my opinion. We still do not know enough. That is why I call it "art." This is why in previous articles I dared state "prediction," and now I am referring to the matrix as "educational."

Not Quite "State of the Art"

Other problems with the matrix leave it not quite "the state of the art." First, it does not quite measure up to my published standard of what a matrix should be. In addition, there is a severe problem with the "witnesses."

Witnesses, or redundant terms indicating a specific point, seem to be in conflict with themselves. We have a term that can be read as, "The elephant burned" or "The elephant heaped up." Another example is, "The elephant—pity here" or "The elephant had compassion/mercy."

Other Complications and the Final Analysis

There are other complications. The term, "A president of honor, respect, to revere" is linked strongly to the term "From a king—black ... embarrassed as a president." Now this term can also be translated, "From a king, significance. As president, late." These terms can be seen as forecasting embarrassment for Bush—or praising him. In the final analysis, the interpretation for these two linked terms can be highly subjective.

It is interesting to note that even if one looks very hard at the "Kerry the president" terms with their long extensions, the message from the various terms can be quite confusing. They can be interpreted as not shedding any light, or can be read to indicate one winner (Kerry) or another (Bush).

This can relate again to the art of doing the codes. A person who is not trained in Hebrew, who is not familiar with calculating odds, who does not follow rigorous procedures, can be misled to think that, "Aha, there is a revelation." (Note: For those who care to verify that one term at a time is statistically significant, there are programs that will reliably determine the odds.)

What is interesting about this cluster is that in just a few days from now its terms will no doubt be much easier to understand.

The Science vs. the Art

In all my previous published articles, the science aspect of doing the codes played THE major role. Not everyone may agree with my methods, but they did produce unquestionably good results—with verified conclusions using different methods saying the same things.

In the present USA Election article, art plays a MAJOR role. Once again, scientifically it may be difficult to prove the methods, but I believe that scientifically it is just as difficult to reject them—now. In the long term, the art will become a science and some of the tools used will be rejected, as we learn from experience, while others will be a standard feature.

On the other hand, the tools used above are only a small fraction of what we can do. Only lack of imagination can stop us from reaching new heights.

[QX: MAY GOD'S TIMELESS MAJESTY BE EXALTED]

461 posted on 12/15/2004 10:11:56 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the pings!


462 posted on 12/15/2004 10:13:59 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.
- Herbert Spencer


463 posted on 12/15/2004 10:16:42 AM PST by puppetz
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To: puppetz

I forgive you.

Again.


464 posted on 12/15/2004 10:25:40 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Alamo-Girl

OF COURSE.

LUB


465 posted on 12/15/2004 10:30:08 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: puppetz

BTW,

THANKS for giving God an engraved invitation to provide you with a series of increasingly improving mirrors.

I just don't know HIS timeline on their delivery.


466 posted on 12/15/2004 10:31:24 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix
Koran Study Claims Mathematical Patterns

Was the Koran of Islam encoded with mathematical proof of its creation by Allah? An anonymous author on a Moslem web site believes so, and has written an article on his research.

Basically, all it really shows is that the author of the Koran intentionally designed several features of it to be multiples of 19. That is something many human authors could do if they wanted to.

What is unfortunate is that this intriguing phenomenon is touted as "proof" of the divine origin of the Koran. It is not that.

We have had quite a few queries from visitors to the site about whether the Koran and other religious books are encoded. This is the first we have heard of a mathematical analysis of the Koran. What is interesting is that much of the author's article relies on quotations from the esteemed 11th century Jewish rabbi, Judah the Pious, who wrote about mathematical patterns in the Bible. This is refreshing in a day when the root of the world's turmoil is Islamic hatred of Jews and the nation of Israel—regardless of how justified [QX: OR UNjustified] such hatred is.

Given that 19 is such a symbolic and pervasive number in the Koran, what significance, if any, does the number 19 have in the Bible? The number 19 only appeared six times. Four of them appear in contexts that have no evident symbolic significance.

However, two of them, which were virtually copies of one another from two different books, covered the same dramatic story of a very powerful people destroying Israel.

1So in the ninth year of Zedekiah's reign, on the tenth day of the tenth month, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon marched against Jerusalem with his whole army. He encamped outside the city and built siege works all around it. 2The city was kept under siege until the eleventh year of King Zedekiah. 3By the ninth day of the fourth month the famine in the city had become so severe that there was no food for the people to eat. 4Then the city wall was broken through, and the whole army fled at night through the gate between the two walls near the king's garden, though the Babylonians were surrounding the city.

They fled toward the Arabah, 5but the Babylonian army pursued the king and overtook him in the plains of Jericho. All his soldiers were separated from him and scattered, 6and he was captured. He was taken to the king of Babylon at Riblah, where sentence was pronounced on him. 7They killed the sons of Zedekiah before his eyes. Then they put out his eyes, bound him with bronze shackles and took him to Babylon.

8On the seventh day of the fifth month, in the nineteenth year of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, Nebuzaradan commander of the imperial guard, an official of the king of Babylon, came to Jerusalem. 9He set fire to the temple of the LORD, the royal palace and all the houses of Jerusalem. Every important building he burned down. 10The whole Babylonian army, under the commander of the imperial guard, broke down the walls around Jerusalem. 11Nebuzaradan the commander of the guard carried into exile the people who remained in the city, along with the rest of the populace and those who had gone over to the king of Babylon. II Kings 25:1-11 (closely parallels Jeremiah 52:1-15).

Is this a coincidence, or is the "spirit of 19" one that actively seeks to dislodge the Jews from Palestine?

467 posted on 12/15/2004 10:41:00 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: 185JHP; DAVEY CROCKETT; MamaDearest; Alamo-Girl; All
FROM [Qx's color, bold emphases added]:

MATHEMATICALL EVIDENCE THAT THE TORAH HAS NOT CHANGED HERE: http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php/256

Not One Jot
or Tittle

Numbers are very symbolic in the Bible. Take seven for example. It represents God’s complete provision. There are seven days in a week, seven articles of furniture in the tabernacle, seven eyes on the stone in Zechariah 3:9 upon which God engraves an inscription, seven churches, golden lampstands and stars in Revelation 1-3, seven spirits (Rev. 4:5), seven seals (Rev. 5:1), seven angels with seven trumpets (Rev. 8), seven thunders (Rev. 10:4) and seven last plagues (Rev. 15).

In Kevin Acre’s draft article, Data Integrity Patterns of the Torah, he presents numerous intriguing types of evidence that the total number of letters in each of the books of the Torah are exactly what they originally were. This could be seen as support for the belief that the Torah has been copied virtually without error down through dozens of centuries until this very day. If such were the case, the integrity of Torah codes would stand on a much firmer basis than if there were known copying errors. Incidentally, Kevin is the developer of the popular code search program, Codefinder. He lives outside of Melbourne, Australia.

Given the importance of sevens, we should stand up and take notice when Kevin tells us that the total number of letters in the book of Genesis (78,064) is the same as

77,700 + (7*7*7) + (7+7+7).

That’s quite neat.

Now, three is another key number. There is the Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and the unholy trinity of the world, the flesh and the devil. The trinity of blessing is grace, mercy and peace. Jesus spent three days and three nights in the heart of the earth between His crucifixion and resurrection, a parallel to the three days and three nights that Jonah spent in the belly of a whale (Matthew 12:39-40).

Notice that in the formula above there are three terms, each with three sevens in them. Impressive.

Kevin also notes that the gematria sum for the letters in the book of Deuteronomy is 3,777,010, a number including a three and three sevens. (Gematria is based on assigning a number to each letter in the Hebrew alphabet, with one through nine assigned to the first nine letters, respectively, ten through ninety to the next nine letters, and one hundred through four hundred to the remaining final four letters).

In the past BCD has avoided reference to gematria because there is more than enough to investigate regarding Bible codes, and there is a need for us to keep a tight focus. However, we made an exception in the case of Kevin’s article because it uses gematria to support a key assumption behind the purported validity of Bible codes.

Finally, twelve is also an important number in the Bible. There are the twelve tribes of Israel, the twelve spies who surveyed the Promised Land, the twelve stones in the breastplate of the high priest, the twelve disciples of Jesus, and the twelve gates to Jerusalem.

So, what if the number of letters in some other books in the Torah can be expressed as the result of the sums and/or products of threes, sevens and twelves? Kevin notes that 3*3*7*7*12*12 equals 63,504, which is quite close to the 63,529 letters in Exodus and the 63,532 letters in Numbers. He then observes that the number of letters in Exodus can be obtained by adding to 3*3*7*7*12*12 the sum of the digits in the number of letters in Genesis (7+8+0+6+4 = 25). Also quite neat.

But then he also notes that the number of letters in Numbers can be obtained by adding to 3*3*7*7*12*12 the sum of the digits in the number of letters in Deuteronomy (5 + 4 + 8 + 9 + 2= 28), if one includes two inverted Hebrew letters (Nun) in the letter count. Given this, the formulae for the total number of letters in Exodus and Numbers are mirror images of one another, reflected off the third book.

Acres notes that in the Sepher Yetzirah (Book of Creation), a text attributed by tradition to Abraham, three numbers are of key significance (3, 7 and 12), paralleling the structure of the Hebrew alphabet, which has 3 mothers (Alef, Mem and Shin), 7 doubles (Bet, Gimel, Dalet, Kaf, Peh, Resh and Tav) and 12 elementals.

Kevin also notes that three, seven and twelve are prominent in two formulae for a close approximation of pi:

(3+7+12)/7 = 3.142857,

and a close approximation of pi to the fourth power:

3*3*3*3 + {(12+7)/(3+7+12)}.

For many centuries Jewish scribes have painstakingly copied the Torah, believing that dire consequences would follow if any kind of copying error were made. This concern was based on the ancient belief that God dictated the Torah to Moses on Mount Sinai letter-by-letter and that the entire history of the world, past, present and future are encoded in the Torah. Perhaps the words of Jesus relate to this: “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:18)

Checksums

Did God build in bits of evidence to demonstrate that the Torah was error-free? Kevin sees examples such as those cited in this review as candidates for such evidence. And his paper provides many other similar evidences, which may well be divine checksums. He illustrates what checksums are through several contemporary examples.

If you write a document and send it via e-mail, how do you know the message arrived at its destination uncorrupted by error? In the computer age, it is simple. You just need to create a checksum for the file you are sending. If the checksum of the received file does not match that of the sent file, then you know something has gone wrong.

What most people do not realize is that every packet of information sent via the internet has a checksum, the same as each and every sector on the hard drive of your PC. Checksums are those invisible attributes which monitor the integrity of nearly every operation you perform on your computer.

Checksums count the values of each character in a computer file so the file can later be checked to ensure that it conforms to its original checksum. Variances do exist in implementations but the purpose is the same. In the computer age, checksums are the unseen guardians of data integrity.

More than 3,500 years ago, the luxury of computers did not exist so what could you have done if you planned to write a document which had to be completely error free. Your only option was to use known mathematical markers in the hope that someone down the line would pick up on them and recognize them. You could perhaps use several different schemes concurrently just to prove without a doubt that the content was correct at a later date.

Closing Thoughts

The observant reader at this point should be wondering what elegant formula was found for the number of letters in Leviticus. Kevin presents this one:

1*(6^1) + 2*(6^2) + 3*(6^3) + 4*(6^4) +5*(6^5).

Although this one doesn’t focus on threes, sevens or twelves, it does represent a very neat progression of terms.

Kevin also found the following elegant formula for the number of letters in Exodus:

(5^1) + (6^2) + (7^3) + (8^4) + (9^5) = 63,529.

In this formula, both the base numbers and the exponents progress upward by one for each successive term.

Kudos to Kevin for introducing a whole new field of inquiry related to Bible codes. We have made his entire paper available on our site. Perhaps it will spur other BCD readers on to discover additional evidences that could be shared with everyone in some future BCD issue.

A fair amount of Kevin’s number research was conducted with the help of the On-Line Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences [HERE: http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/index.html

In further investigating this area, it would be intriguing to know whether or not similar evidences could be found for the number of letters in each book, plus or minus one, or two, or three, etc. A dearth of examples, after applying a comparable amount of research to Kevin’s, would be quite interesting.

468 posted on 12/15/2004 10:56:16 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix

Hmmmm .... that one was particularly fascinating to me. Thanks!


469 posted on 12/15/2004 11:10:17 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

And, to me.

U R MOST WELCOME, of course.

Some other interesting Code docs coming up but I don't know if any more are of that type. Mostly different topics of the codes found.


470 posted on 12/15/2004 11:57:57 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: The Loan Arranger; All
Have been a fan of Gibson for some time and especially since THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST. The following very long Code on him looks interesting. Any extra color emphaises--Qx. I love the tweak at Code critic McKay.

Professor McKay earned his stripes as a code critic in 1997 when he shot down Drosnin with his counter-example cluster of "codes" from a Hebrew translation of Tolstoi's War and Peace. Since then he has been comparatively silent as code researchers have presented a series of far more extensive and complex examples of clusters.

Where are McKay's new counter-examples? Could it have something to do with the fact that you really can't find such things in War and Peace or other non-Biblical texts? And could it be that McKay knows that you can't, so there is no point in searching for extensive, complex counter-examples?

Perhaps a more convenient strategy for the skeptic at this point is to raise questions about the quality of the Hebrew in long codes. While there is some validity to this concern, we believe it is basically a smoke screen. We have yet to see Brendan cite his credentials as a Hebrew expert.

Now the bar for Brendan has been raised a number of hefty notches. Moshe Shak has discovered a 146-letter-long ELS, exactly twice as long as the longest one discovered by BCD researchers (73 letters). Furthermore, Moshe discovered another ELS 109-letters-long, nested within the original code, but reading in the opposite direction. And, he also found a 44-letter-long ELS at double the skip of the original code, and a 44 letter (as well as a 27 letter) ELS at triple the skip. Each of these long ELSs are entirely contained within the original ELS.

While code researchers may quibble about the possible meanings of these new codes and their very controversial content, there is one message from these new findings that is unmistakeable: the capabilities of the real author of the Tanakh far exceed those of human beings.

Often the language in codes is figurative and symbolic, leaving open the possibility of interpreting their meaning in different ways. Quite naturally, Moshe has considered their possible meanings from an orthodox Jewish perspective.

We invite our readers to exercise their own judgment in considering Moshe’s interpretations as well as reasonable alternatives to the meanings of his translations into English. For example, where a translation is presented that portrays Mel Gibson unfavorably, is the context one of who he is today, or of who he was during the days of his personal crisis many years ago—which he acknowledged in an interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer.

As another example, while parts of some of these codes may refer to The Passion, is it not possible that some of them may refer to some of Gibson’s other movies? Or that they might even not refer to Mel Gibson at all?

Moshe's belief is that codes only tell truth. Our position is that codes express a viewpoint, which could be that of God, Jews, Christians or even terrorists. The problem is that codes don't include quotation marks and they don't provide clear identification of who is speaking. See questions 5-7 of our 20 Questions article for more information. to consider both his position and ours in light of Moshe's code findings.

Copyright @ April 2004 by Moshe Aharon Shak

"In times of trouble through the pride of the wicked the poor is hotly pursued."

The Jewish people are in trouble due to anti-Semitism. They are being hotly pursed in numerous places around the world. Since the screening of "The Passion of the Christ," terror acts have taken place in Toronto and Montreal, where I live. Mass destruction of tombstones and a school is an escalation of terror. Does the above quotation have anything to do with the movie "The Passion of the Christ?" Who wrote that quotation? The connection is found in this article.

I have found two extremely long ELSs, one forward and one backward, in a single string of letters that begin in Isaiah and extend through to 2 Chronicles, the last book in the Tanach, or Hebrew Bible.

My search for a Mel Gibson ELS began with an ELS discovered by Roy Reinhold. Roy and other competent Bible code researchers take the code he discovered, with its skip of 3,806, as a compliment to Mel Gibson. They may not consider Gibson perfect, but believe that the code paints him in a favorable light. Half a picture is worse than no picture. (At one time I misinterpreted a semi-developed matrix because I did not see two letters! Only after more work was done, did I notice my mistake.)

Here is the ELS discovered by Roy Reinhold:

Behold, please, you will cut off/strike off 60; a colleague comes, Mel Gibson is a Bach of the people. And the curse of a mocker opens/unseals the heap of ruins; it will complete the line. And their anger, behold, of a people with Bach, he will take away. Drink. Only G-d can truly judge each and every one of us. However, I believe that the codes do not paint Gibson in a favorable light.

The Main Term

Is it conceivable that one can select 146 letters at a given Equidistant Letter Skip (ELS) other than 1 and get a message such as shown below? (Note that the words in the parentheses are not part of the message but that I understand to be there):

Remarkable as it may appear, such a message exists in the Bible as outlined below. It starts at Isaiah 62:5 (For as a young man espouseth a virgin, so shall thy sons espouse thee; and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.) and ends at 2 Chronicles 7:9.

1. Skip=3,806 – Main skip 146 letters

The ones that made me, the mob, was blackened by me (one hundred are his Gods). The one who fixed outside 1 Give (tell) it right! Please cut off 60! 2 Comes 3 an honest, a whole hearted 4 person to Gibson: "Guilty one! 5 Are the Nation 6 and G-d a joke? Does a heap of ruins a place to permanently place water? No!" (That is) His line! It is their Anger! The story of creation 7 the guilty one will negate (refuse to accept)! He placed permanently, and he insulted from a record 8 . Ah, you are in a heap of ruins. It is a beautiful hotel that is a heap of ruins (that is Kosher). Hashem: "Mel is rotten." It has to be said 9 G-d is one 10 . My God! Hashem is the one that kills 11 . He killed; or, another interpretation 12 : "because Hashem is G-d."

1 The main action of sufferings of Jesus in "The Passion" is staged in the open.

2 According to Jewish law, 1 part of 60 does not contaminate the bulk. The implication here is that the whole is contaminated (all 60 parts).

3 The root of the word is Aramaic root form of meaning "to come" (Isaiah 21:12, Ezra 5:3, Ezra 5:16). Mel Gibson comes across "The Passion," in Aramaic.

4 Job 1:1: "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was whole-hearted and upright, and one that feared God, and shunned evil." Bottom line: a "saint" is complaining, or a least a righteous person.

5 It is used as an acronym as found in the dictionary for (the owner of guilt – or the one that owes).

6 the nation refers to the Jewish nation as it is THE nation in the Bible.

7 the acronym is found in the dictionary to indicate the story of creation

8 from the movie that set a record.

9 acronym (in the dictionary) for the two word yesh lomar.

10 "One has to say that G-d is one." This is an obligation of the Jew, to say that three times a day, all year long.

11 The LORD killeth, and maketh alive (1Samuel 2:6)

12 (Perush Acher) as found in the dictionary.

146-Letter-Long Mel Gibson ELS Discovered Continued

The 146-letter term is in remarkably good Hebrew. The spelling, grammar, order of words, meaning and message are almost perfect for each of the seventeen "sentences" making up this term. One "weakness" of the term is that many of the words are biblical words that are not commonly used today in everyday conversation.

Another "weakness" is the use of letters to indicate numbers. On the other hand, the usage of letters to indicate numbers is widespread in books and to express commonly-known, special numbers. Finally, some abbreviations are used that not everyone is familiar with. On the other hand, the abbreviations used are recognized abbreviations and can be found in dictionaries such as "The New Dictionary," by Abraham Even Shoshan (Kiryath Sepher, Ltd., Jerusalem).

Here is another possible English paraphrase of the ELS:

The masses (who watch my movie) who made me (famous) were blackened/tainted by me (the person who listens to gossip is guilty as the one that tells the gossip). (Me/) He has other G-ds (such as money, fame, etc.). (Me/) He set up (the movie) outside/outdoors (where the crucifixion took place). Be honest (Mel) get rid of the impure (what is not correct). Comes an honest person to Mel Gibson and rebukes him: "You are guilty!" Is the (Jewish) nation and G-d a Joke? Can ruins hold water? No! (but) This is his line. It is their (those who portray the Jews in poor light) anger. The guilty one will refuse to accept the Bible story (refuse to accept that the Jews are not guilty). In his record-setting (movie) he insulted. Oh, you are in (moral?) ruins (Jews?). (Anyone) Kosher in ruins is beautiful. G-d tells Mel: "rotten." There is only one G-d (see above: "He has 100"). The G-d that kills―killed. Or, another interpretation―because G-d is G-d.

The Second Term Within the First

The above term on its own, is by leaps and bounds longer than any "long term" ever discovered. However, this is only the beginning of the story on this term. If we look at its letters in the opposite direction, we find another record-breaking term of 109 consecutive letters. The fascinating thing is that the second term also relates to Mel Gibson and his movie, and uses key words similar to the first term, relating to truth, refusing to accept (facts), having one hundred other "gods" (such as fame, fortune, etc.).

2. NEGATIVE Skip -3806 Parallel (opposite) skip 109 letters

* (Perush Acher) as found in the dictionary.

"Hashem! But the ruins of His anger you are." A plain person… "What? Hey, there is not one G-d. I have 100." Mel hurried a thorn that lived and therefore a thick forest died. Aha, a man from/of cheatings! (Established a thing a negative / stitched together / refused to accept) Booty, present, he loved. Where from? From a different interpretation! (Is/was it) a nail? A hundred? G-d – who died? (It is) a cement as a savior to the United Nations. Seventy (the Biblical referenced to the number of non-Jewish nations) owe. Well, will an old wise man cover (wrap up) the Tanach (Bible)? Come . . .

Other Terms

The story told by the term or two above continues. For the first time, we have a long term that becomes a matrix. The matrix that is 146 letters long contains more terms within those 146 letters. The significance of the terms is that they all tell the same story using similar key words.

3. Skip 7,612 (3806x2) – double skip 44 letters

For me the 60* is convenient. I was a suckling to the line (version)**. Here I will stir to detest / loathe / abhor. Deceive! Can you understand (that) G-d the supreme will hit? (This is) from the One G-d, to them. * According to Jewish law, 1 part of 60 does not contaminate the bulk. The implication here is that the whole is contaminated (all 60 parts). ** Since childhood he is brought up along this line, and as a baby he follows it.

4. Skip 11,418 (3806x3) – Triple skip, 44 letters

"To riches (he) comes as very excited / in heat. He* has clowns / cynics." (It is) My mouth**. "(Mel’s Clowns) entertained at (My) G-d’s (expense)." Who? )The) seventy (Non Jewish Biblical nations of the world) in that way. Mel is fear. "I am first!"

* Who is he? In Hebrew, in the term above, the he shares the letter lamed with the term Mel (Gibson). ** In Biblical terms: The mouth of G-d has spoken.

5. NEGATIVE skip -11,418 (3806x3) – Triple skip, 27 letters

A story that in his mother, the man of G-d. And the wicked person: "Let us cut out the 60 (true parts – leave in the wrong part); let us become (pretend that we are) naïve."

The five terms have many terms in common such as: Cynical, clowns; lying, insulting; pursuing his line - wrong line; seeking fortunes, believing in "other gods."

[TO BE CONTINUED IN SECTION 3. QX: MAY GOD'S TIMELESS MAJESTY BE EXALTED.]

471 posted on 12/15/2004 12:42:56 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix

The first and worst of all frauds is to cheat one's self. All sin is easy after that.
Pearl Bailey


472 posted on 12/15/2004 12:46:09 PM PST by puppetz
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To: The Loan Arranger; Alamo-Girl; All
146-Letter-Long Mel Gibson
ELS Discovered Continued [SECTION 3]

Can We Trust a Term?

But . . . do we have the right meaning? Is it possible that the above code(s) have a different meaning?

My mother Z.L. told me the following story. The details have been dramatized to illustrate the point, but the basic message is the same now as she told me.

Long time ago, a famous king had a son who was a military genius and in charge of his army. The son had a brilliant idea for a mission-impossible type of a mission to bring great honor to his country. The good king was concerned for the safety of his son and sent to ask for the advice of his best Bible codes expert. Should the son go? Will he win? Will he die? Etc.

The expert looked in the book of Genesis that was then written in Aramaic. He came with the most reassuring message at a minimal skip of -2. It was a world record ELS with over 120 letters which read something like: Rambo the great warrior head of the army son of King Goliath on the (specified proposed date) will go win not die.

The king was delighted and gave the royal approval for the mission. The son went. He won not. He died. The king was furious. He demanded to get an explanation from the Bible codes expert. The expert was perplexed. Your highness! I warned you that your son would die if he goes on that date. It came with an astonishing R-value to prove that I said the truth. The king replied but you said that he: "will go, win, not die." No, said the expert. You misunderstood. I said that he: "will go, win not, die!’

What does a message of a few words mean? Can it be deciphered? Can it mean two opposite things at the same time? Are we going to see what we want to see? Can we interpret it the way we want? Let’s look at another example:

An English professor wrote the words: "A woman without her man is nothing" on the chalkboard and asked his students to punctuate it correctly. All of the males in the class wrote: A woman, without her man, is nothing. All the females in the class wrote: A woman: without her, man is nothing.

Let’s look at the Mel Gibson ELS term that includes the two letters Bet Chet that may be looked upon as the name Bach. Can we say from the Hebrew term

that Mel Gibson is a Bach of the people and G-d? Does the expression mean that Mel Gibson is painted positively in the ELS? Apparently, some believe that this is the case¯on both counts. Now, let us look at a few factors:

Can "Bet Chet" be used as a transliteration for Bach? Answer: Theoretically yes. The transliteration means/sounds the same. The sound is the same. I do not believe that we have enough experience to outright rule out this transliteration. Theoretically, Bach may be a Jew without anyone knowing it. We know of many such cases that a Jewish identity was identified only many years later. By Jewish law, a Jew is someone who has a Jewish mother. This process may go back ten or twenty generations.

Why is it most likely not proper to use it for Bach? Answer: Typically, all non-Hebrew words when being transliterated are written with a Tet and not a Taf; a Chaf and not a Chet, etc. This is especially true for given names. I am not really sure that the "greatest artist" can be the "greatest musician" of a group of people. It is especially awkward in my opinion to apply that to "of G-d."

In developing this specific ELS term, the term may be read in numerous ways. I have seen at least seven different ways of interpreting this term by which a conversation is being carried out by the codes, spelling out that Mel Gibson is NOT a Bach. In fact, the codes are asking the question: Is he a Bach and they answer it: No!

Is Mel Gibson painted positively by the codes? Answer: A few years ago, I made a statement that I do not believe that one long ELS can be taken on its own to give a message. If you read the beginning of this page, you will understand that my upbringing had a little to do with my perception. I discovered that a very long term, say 146 letters long, can actually become a fascinating matrix! In my opinion, that big-term/small-matrix tells a story that does not paint Mel Gibson is a positive light. The punch line, however, is that I have done several Mel Gibson long ELS terms and I found similar messages in them.

Mel Gibson is a Bach of the Nation and G-d???

The first seven shorter versions of this long term are used to dispel the notion that Mel Gibson is a "Bach." Please note that the term has many meanings as outlined below.

Possible Summary of the Story by Terms Above (Commentary)

An innocent person suggests to Mel Gibson that he is a "Bach." Is Mel Gibson a Bach? The Nation and G-d say that he is a wicked person. Mel Gibson insists that he is a Bach, while he Nation and G-d insist: Wicked. Mel Gibson laughs Ha! ()! He is told that these are His people. Mel Gibson continues to laugh Ha. He is told again that these are G-d’s nation, you wicked person. Indeed, it is over for Mel Gibson the definition Bach. The nation and G-d have labeled him Wicked. Mel Gibson is revolting. He mocked/scorned G-d’s people and G-d himself.

So, can we trust one term? No one will argue that we can! In my book Bible codes Breakthrough I give my rules to accept a message as being potentially trustworthy. One of my cardinal rules is that two or three witnesses (or supporting terms) are required. I believe that above, there is a solid case to define Mel Gibson as at least cynical.

Expanding the Matrix

What if we look at the short term above: . And we try to make a conventional matrix with it? Is this what the codes are trying to tell us?

The term above that crosses the long 146 letter-term just below Mel Gibson and crosses the term "the wicked," is part of the first three verses in Psalms Ch 10. I looked up the explanation of those three verses in a book copyright by Y. Orenstein (1968, Yavneh Publishing House, Ltd., Tel Aviv). The explanation of the verses was by Prof. A. Sh. Hartom, and edited by M. D. Kasuto. The explanation is as follows:

1. Why (in the name of G-d – in our case) are you looking from afar and you are not helping? At the time of my troubles you are shutting your eyes (not to see me). 2. In his pride in himself, the wicked will pursue the poor, and the poor will get caught in the trap that the wicked people set up. 3. The wicked glorifies himself, and brings upon himself bad deeds. The wicked loves unjust gain and he succeeds in his endeavors and by that he shames G-d.

The term --Booty, present, he loved/loves" is found in the second term with the 109 letters. It supplements the notes above: "The wicked loves unjust gain."

E-mail Mr. Shak at [REMOVED 4 PRIVACY--AVAILABLE AT BCD VERSION OF THE DOC]

473 posted on 12/15/2004 1:01:29 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: puppetz

I forgive you.

Again.


474 posted on 12/15/2004 1:02:36 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: The Loan Arranger; All; Poohbah; Alamo-Girl
RESPONSE TO A CRITIQUE from:

HERE: http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php/243

Sherman Responds to Ingermanson Posting

By Ed Sherman, Director, Bible Code Digest

Physicist and novelist Randy Ingermanson’s website contains the posting, “An Unbiased Search for Bible Codes.” The posting refers to an experiment that was to be conducted jointly by Ingermanson and BCD. The experiment did not proceed because Ingermanson’s second career as a novelist took off, leaving him with little time to do the requisite programming. His posting claims that this experiment would have been unbiased, and expresses the hope that someone might some day complete it.

After Ingermanson withdrew as the programmer, BCD had to decide whether to hire another programmer or to complete a different study. We opted for the latter because we concluded that the proposed experiment did not adequately focus on the phenomenon in question. A paper detailing our subsequent work and findings is posted on the BCD website.

Design Suffered

While we agree that the tabled joint experiment would have been objective, its design suffered from serious shortcomings. In the experiment a computer would search for long ELSs comprised simply of strings of Hebrew words (defined as those appearing in the Tanakh). Searches would occur in various books in the Torah and in randomly scrambled versions of those books. The number of lengthy ELSs found in the books of the Torah and the control texts would be compared and standard statistical tests would be applied.

The fundamental problem with this experiment is that the definition of an acceptable ELS is too broad. If someone were to encode a text, would they just insert strings of words that did not fit together grammatically? Although that is possible, it isn’t very plausible.

So where is the potential bias in the old joint experiment? Suppose a text is encoded with numerous lengthy ELSs in grammatically correct Hebrew. In a comparative test, these real codes would get lost among the far greater number of ELSs that only consisted of strings of Hebrew words. So any real difference in the frequency of “long” ELSs would get drowned out by the noise. The risk of a “false negative” from the old experiment is very high. A “false negative” would occur when an experiment indicates no statistically significant difference between the extent of “encoding” in the Torah and the control texts, when in actuality it did exist.

The basic problem is that the phenomenon under examination would not have been sufficiently isolated, and so potentially positive results would be seriously diluted by irrelevant results for ELSs that merely consisted of series of Hebrew words.

Total Objectivity vs. Relevance

It is natural that a physicist such as Ingermanson would place first priority on objectivity in designing an experiment. To him, eliminating any potential elements of subjectivity is a total virtue. Unfortunately, to have true relevance to the purported phenomenon of long encoded sentences and phrases, the judgment of an expert is required. So an element of subjectivity must be present. I do not believe that optimizing objectivity at the expense of relevance is a wise choice.

In designing the BCD study, we took great care to minimize potential sources of bias due to utilizing the opinions of experts. First, the Hebrew expert didn’t even know we were sending him a mixture of Hebrew letters strings from the Bible and a control text. He believed that everything we were sending him was from the Bible. Second, we retained another Hebrew expert to conduct parallel searches, thereby obtaining a second opinion.

We proceeded with the BCD study because we wanted to take a fresh look at the question of whether Bible codes were real. If they weren’t, why waste thousands of hours researching and writing about illusory codes?

Criticism Exaggerated

Ingermanson criticizes the BCD paper on the basis that the “various Hebrew letters occur with significantly different frequencies in the” Bible and in War & Peace. Because of this, he believed we were comparing apples and oranges. His criticism is exaggerated.

In the fifth paragraph after Table 1 in the paper, we stated, “The possibility that differences in letter frequencies between the two texts might account for some of the difference in discovery rates was considered. A visual comparison of the individual letter frequencies indicated a very strong similarity between the two texts. The correlation between the two sets of frequencies was quite high (0.964827).” (If there were a perfect correlation, it would be 1.0.)

We weren’t searching in the entire Hebrew Bible nor in the entire Hebrew translation of War & Peace. Instead, we searched in the book of Ezekiel and a segment of War & Peace of comparable length that also had very similar letter frequencies. It would be more accurate to say that we were comparing Valencia oranges from orchards that were a few miles apart, but not apples vs. oranges.

Here is a direct comparison of the letter frequencies in the two search texts.

Suppose we compare the ranks of the letter frequencies of the different letters. We have the following:

For 12 of the 22 letters, the frequency rank is identical. For five of the letters, the rank differs by one. For only two of the letters did the rank differ by two, and for only three of the letters did the rank differ by three. In no case does the rank differ by more than three. Those letters for which the rank was either identical or different by one accounted for 78.9% of all the letters in the Ezekiel text.

Ingermanson’s concern about differences in letter frequencies is germane to the Ezekiel/War & Peace experiment we conducted. However, it is not material to the statistical test we applied to the Ezekiel 37 cluster, and that test is the crux of the BCD paper. In that test, the difference between the expected and actual number of long ELSs is so great that the above frequency differences cannot account for it.

Results Always the Same

In the paper we dealt with the question of differing letter frequencies by examining the effects of varying the assumed probability of finding an extension to an existing ELS over a very large range. The results were always the same: the difference between the expected and actual number of long ELSs was always so large that there was virtually no possibility the difference could be due to chance.

The decision to use a segment of a Hebrew translation of War & Peace as the control text was based on three considerations. First, we wanted a control text that we believed would be acceptable to code skeptics. Since leading skeptics had used this as a control text themselves, it was a leading candidate. Second, we wanted a control text with very similar letter frequencies, and it satisfied that requirement, as discussed above. Third, we wanted a text that was generally available, making it easier for another researcher to reproduce our results. Because it is so laborious to search for long ELSs consisting of sentences with grammatically reasonable Hebrew, we didn’t have the luxury of quickly running the whole thing with different control texts.

Misinterpreted Findings

Ingermanson misinterpreted the findings of the experiment. He states, “Sherman’s experiments on the Hebrew text of War and Peace convinced him of what I had argued privately with him years earlier—that the odds were quite high of finding a number of long ELSs. In a section of War and Peace as long as Ezekiel 37, Sherman would expect to find nearly 6 ELSs with more than 25 letters! So much for his claims from a few years ago of “1 in 14 trillion” for his 22-letter ELS!” The whole point was to compare the actual with the expected number of long ELSs. The fact is that the odds are extremely remote that 33 long ELSs would be found in Ezekiel when only 6 were expected by chance. I think he missed the point.

His claim that my statements contradicted one another is invalid. He is comparing two types of probabilities that are as different as grapes and watermelons, and alleging that I had engaged in some kind of “rather extraordinary confession.” This is not true. Grapes shouldn’t be compared with watermelons, and it isn’t a confession to say that the size of a grape is different from that of a watermelon.

In terms of probabilities of the random occurrence of codes, grapes differ from watermelons in terms of issues such as whether alternative ELSs would need to have a similar level of topical relevance, logical content and appropriateness to the context of the literal passage. Or would “comparable” ELSs include the enormous group of ELSs that only met the minimal standard of consisting of grammatically reasonable Hebrew? It makes a tremendous difference.

We previously described at length the relevance of the 22-letter ELS, “Gushing from Above, Jesus is My Mighty Name, and the Clouds Rejoiced,” in the first section of our report, for the benefit of those who may not be familiar with the Biblical symbols in this code.

I do not believe that any of the comments in Ingermanson’s posting point out a need to revise the study we did or the paper describing it. We stand by our work.

MAY THE TIMELESS MAJESTY OF GOD BE EXALTED.

476 posted on 12/15/2004 1:27:21 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: puppetz

God requires that we forgive everyone

IF

we want to be forgiven. I'd have thought you were aware of that Godly demand.


477 posted on 12/15/2004 1:31:06 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: puppetz

BTW,

I think it would be more integrous for you to pee in your own CHRISTmas punch bowl instead of seeming to get so many jollies from persistently, peevishly, . . . peeing in the punch bowl of those interested in discussing this topic from at least a fair-minded to sympathetic perspective.


478 posted on 12/15/2004 1:33:59 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: puppetz

"The fact is, noone knows that for sure, but there is ample evidence its been changed many times,"

And you've seen this evidence, huh?

The books of the Torah are unchanged thru all time. That is a fact.

Moreover they are in the exact language that they were written. They are verifiable back millenia. There is no reason to believe that they were misprinted before that. There are people whose entire lives are given over to transmission of the Five Books of the Torah. Nothing else, just that.

They have been handed down thru each generation EXACTLY as they were given to that generation. Not ONE character amiss, and no spaces to cause mischief

YOU may dismiss them, but that hardly matters.


479 posted on 12/15/2004 3:23:55 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack

VERY WELL PUT.

THX.

What did you think of the doc above about the numerical phenomena?

post number . . .

468?


480 posted on 12/15/2004 3:43:23 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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