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To: Luis Gonzalez

Let's frame it the way I did with the bible, same same as the koran or any other book protected under the 1st Amd:

The company has a parking lot also open to the public for customers and visitors. It bans bibles (or korans) in a policy handed down only a few months ago. It employs book sniffing dogs to ferret them out, using the dogs to indicate which cars to search. The company fires an employee of 19 years for having a bible (or koran) on the company parking lot (which is also open to the general public.)

LG, you side with the company's right to ban the bible (or koran) under these asinine fascist terms.

I don't.


437 posted on 12/13/2004 9:12:30 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
There are rights as old as society in play here; a person's property is his and his alone.

You pay taxes on the land, maintain it if maintenance is needed, you are financially accountable for anything that might befall the people whom you allow on your property while they are on your property.

That's not Fascism.

Fascism begins when the government steps in and starts telling you, a property owner, that others have the right to set conditions on THEIR use of YOUR property, contrary to YOUR conditions, and that YOU are still financially , and maybe even criminally responsible for their well-being for as long as they remain on your property.

You just happen to find this degree of Fascism acceptable.

Whether an employer allows guns on their property on their own or not, or whether the government forces them to do it, they will be sued after a work place shooting, so I say that the day that ALL employees sign a release agreeing not to file suit against their employees if the were hurt at a job-related shooting, then the employer should allow guns on his property. You know what?

Maybe that's the next law that the Oklahoma legislature should pass; making it illegal to sue an employer if you got shot at work by a co-worker at the work place , or anywhere on the premises.

As a matter of fact, the legislature should release employers in the State of all liability, legal, criminal, or financial; if the people of Oklahoma and their legislature believe that the best way to keep people safe at work is to arm them, and took steps to implement their idea as law, then let the people of Oklahoma and their legislature assume all accountability when they fail to keep people safe at the work place.

But that won't happen.

That would require the intellectual honesty to assume responsibility for their own actions.

457 posted on 12/13/2004 11:52:20 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Travis McGee
The company has a parking lot also open to the public for customers and visitors. It bans bibles (or korans) in a policy handed down only a few months ago. It employs book sniffing dogs to ferret them out, using the dogs to indicate which cars to search. The company fires an employee of 19 years for having a bible (or koran) on the company parking lot (which is also open to the general public.) LG, you side with the company's right to ban the bible (or koran) under these asinine fascist terms.

I would submit that the company does in fact have the right to fire an employee who did so. It would be stupid, wrongheaded (and as you state, asinine and fascist). Nonetheless, the company could do so.

Individuals and enterprises exercise their rights in all sorts of stupid and counterproductive ways, yet we don't ask the government to correct them when they do so. What's different about this case, other than the fact that it's our ox being gored?

460 posted on 12/14/2004 5:12:57 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Travis McGee

By the way, the blatant dishonesty of your response was astounding.

The fact that you, a person who constantly advocates nuking Mecca, banning Islam in America, and killing its adherents worldwide because you don't consider Islam a religion at all, turned around and drew moral equivalency between the Q'uran to the Bible in order to hide your true feelings when answering this question, was truly nauseating.


463 posted on 12/14/2004 5:37:14 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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