Gun owners claim right to take their rifles to work

Telegraph ^ | 11/12/04 | Alec Russell in Valliant and Scott Heiser in Washington

[Luis Gonzalez]

The hell you do, you've been arguing that you're "entitled" to park in the parking lot, and to violate company rules.

You have no respect for property laws.

[jimthewiz]

The company says it told workers in writing and during "team meetings" of the new policy.

Mr. Wyatt and the other fired workers say they never were told of the changed rule."

You have conflicting statements and you cannot give one more validity than the other.
Without proof that the employees were informed of the policy, the employees will prevail in court.

[Luis Gonzalez]

With the exception of the hundreds of other employees who attended the meetings, and could testify to whether guys were there or not.

[jimthewiz]

Now you are becoming totally irrational and I think that if you wish to discuss your right to trespass and post your political literature, find another thread. This pone is Gun owners claim right to take their rifles to work

[Luis Gonzalez]

Do you truly believe that a company that employs over 50,000 employees doesn't have its "t's" crossed and its "i's" dotted when it comes to legal matters?

[jimthewiz]

I agree!
The employer can require a search of the vehicle as a condition of employment. But in the absence of consent, the employer does not have the right to search the vehicles.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Get a grip dude.

[sitetest]

Dear jimthewiz,

"I agree!"

Well, then, you're one of the "gun-grabbers," I guess. ;-)

But consent doesn't require signatures on documents. It merely requires constructive notification of policy, "You bring your car on our property, you consent to a search. You don't want a search, keep your car off our property."

From the information brought to light, I think it's likely these folks had constructive notice, whether they recall it or not.


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[jonestown]

yes, Weyerhouser acted like gigantic a$$holes firing such long-term employees, but they are within their rights to do so.
392 Luis Gonzalez

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Yes, Weyerhouser acted like gigantic a$$holes firing such long-term employees.
And they are, in effect, violating the employees Constitutional right to keep & bear arms [while going to & from work] in doing so.

The Oklahoma State Legislature agrees.
395 jones

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The law will not stand, because property rights supersede the idea that the employee is entitled to a job, a parking spot on someone else's property, and the right to dictate what rules he wishes to disregard in relation to another person's property.
399 Luis

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No one here, or in Oklahoma, has the idea that the employee is entitled to a job, or a parking spot on someone else's property.

The simple facts of the issue are that employers are required by local government to provide employee parking, and the employees seldom have any option but to use it.
Thus, if arms are prohibited in the lot, the employees RKBA's is being infringed.

[jonestown]

I respect everyone's rights, and expect everyone to respect mine.
The officials of our governments are in particular obligated to support & defend our Constitution, as per their oaths.
398 jonestown

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The hell you do, you've been arguing that you're "entitled" to park in the parking lot, and to violate company rules.

You have no respect for property laws.

401 Luis Gonzalez

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No I haven't been arguing that anyone is "entitled" to park in the parking lot, nor to violate company rules.

My posts here prove that.

Sure would be interesting for you to show otherwise.

[Badray]

"There is no Constitutional right to self defense."

Are you really saying that if someone wants to batter you, you don't have the right to defend yourself?

You are an ass.

[Badray]

"There are now roadblocks on certain streets manned by helmeted, vested police carrying very nice-looking semi-automatic weapons through which you must pass. They may do little more than look in the windows, have the dogs sniff, and use the mirrors to peer under the vehicle. Or they may have you pop the trunk, open the back, and submit to a fuller search."

I don't know if this will make you feel more secure or not, but whenever I stay overnight in DC, I always have my firearm with me. No exceptions. One day I parked at the Reagan Trade Bldg and the car was searched by the Metro or Federal police including popping the trunk and using an electronic sniffer. It was right on top of the bags in the trunk and they never found it.

Not that I was there for any nefarious purpose, but I could have been. I know that I am not impressed with DC 'security.'

[hoosierham]

Isn't the Pledge of Allegiance NEARLY everyone says in school pretty close ?

And doesn't EVERY elected official and many appointees swear or affirm to protect and defend the Constitution ? Or have the socialists destroyed those oaths too ?

[Travis McGee]

Don't waste your time.

[sitetest]

Dear Badray,

I hadn't mentioned feelings of security at all. I'd merely described things as they are.

If you visit Washington frequently, you may wish to reconsider bringing your firearm with you, especially if you're going to enter federal facilities with it in your car.

On the off-chance that they find you with it, trying to bring it on to federal property, it will put you in a difficult set of circumstances.


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[Badray]

"Correct and you will just have to get used to the idea that your RKBA are not universal, and never will be, as common sense dictates otherwise."

As long as criminals are universal, so is my right to protect myself. I always assume that everyone is armed and especially the bad guys.

As for people coming onto my property armed, I only invite people that I trust onto my property. I would only hire people that I trust. If I can trust them with my property, my business, and my reputation, I also trust them with firearms.

[Badray]

"Having a gun in a locked car is not my employer's business. Now, if I carry it on my person into the office, that's a different issue."

My gun is on my hip about 90% of the time, even in places that I presume to have rules against it. No one will even know that I'm armed unless the need arises to defend myself. At that point, I don't care what the rules or even the law say.

I may not win the gunfight, but it gives me the chance to win.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Every right isn't a Constitutional right.

You have a right to receive a bill for services rendered, but that isn't in the Constitution.

Constitutional rights, which is what I was discussing, are rights listed (enumerated) in the Constitution.

Who's the ass?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Answer the question Travis, this will be the third (maybe fourth) time you (the defender of Constitutional rights that you are) have avoided it:

If a company bans Muslims in their employment from bringing a Q'uran on to their property, will you stand in defense of those Muslim's First Amendment rights?

Or will you be defending the Company's property rights?

[Luis Gonzalez]

You've been asked, on more than several ocassions, to prove these claims that you continue to make about employee parking...yet you never do.

Unsubstantiated claims carry absolutely no weight, and neither does your argument.