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To: MBombardier
But I will ask you: How do you know that her children were "unwanted"? Would you have preferred her (and others in her situation) to abort her children so that less taxes are taken out of your paycheck? There are many reasons to have children out of wedlock besides porking out at the government trough. Some women have children to try to cement a shaky relationship. Some women have children because they perceive that the child will love them unconditionally. Sometimes the birth control fails. What gives you the right to judge her?

What gives me the right to judge her? The monies that get taken out of my paycheck every week to support her kids, I guess. She's on MY payroll, so I DO have a say. I do not approve of abortion, especially as a means of birth control, as some are using it. However, I also do not approve of having children who you can't support financially.

Personal responsibility is a concept that you obviously know nothing about. Having children to "cement" a shaky relationship? Are you saying you condone this action?

Birth control methods failing? That dog don't hunt with me. Too many good methods of birth control are out there, and the best one, as I said before, is keeping you knees together.

Don't have children if you can't take care of them, financially and emotionally, PERIOD. I'm sure others agree that we're sick and tired of having our hard earned tax dollars paying for someone's irresponsible romp in the sack. And at the end of the day, the children are the ones who pay for that irresponsibility.

54 posted on 12/10/2004 8:37:50 PM PST by LisaMalia (Merry CHRISTmas!)
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To: LisaMalia
Dr. Viktor Frankl, author of Man's Search for Meaning contended that meaningful living is based on the exercise of freedom of choice on the one hand, and personal responsibility on the other. I believe that sex outside of marriage is wrong. I believe that having children for any other reason than that you desire to love them and care for them and raise them in the nuture and admonition of the Lord is wrong.

But it happens, whether because of wrong or immature thinking on the part of the woman, or failure of birth control. There is good birth control out there, but nothing is 100% except abstinence. Condoms and other barrier methods have a very high failure rate, and chemical methods also have a greater failure rate in young women because of their very high fertility.

I am not going to defend this woman's abuse of her freedom of choice and lack of personal responsibility in becoming pregnant with 4 children out of wedlock. I applaud her and praise God for her decision to carry them to term and to not abort them. I will defend vigorously their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And since the church has reneged on this societal responsibility, the government uses the money it extorts from us to fund their right.

If you are upset about the government using your hard-earned tax dollars to pay for "someone's irresponsible romp in the sack" then work on solving the problem from the roots up, don't just rant about a current situation that can no longer be prevented. Take action to ensure that the same situation does not happen to your children, or the children of your friends, or their friends.

None of us have the right to judge this woman, or each other. Only God knows the motives and intentions of the heart. And to reiterate--the only place this woman is going to get the gumption to be abstinent and avoid having future children out of wedlock is to know WHY abstinence is the best policy, not just for herself but for her children.

58 posted on 12/10/2004 10:22:49 PM PST by MBombardier
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To: LisaMalia; MBombardier
Do you know the specifics about this woman and her situation? One father for all 4 children or several? Does she work or only receive govt aid? Has she always been single during her pregnancies? Did she get pregant to 'cement' a relationship? Do you know this for a fact?

It *may* be this woman's irresponsibility that has brought on dire circumstances...or it *may* be an unfortunate situation and that she is truly *in need*.

Could you share exact information? I'm wondering if it's speculation on your part so far. Thank you kindly.

67 posted on 12/11/2004 8:07:06 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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