Who’s Watching the Store in Ohio and Elsewhere?

12/1004 | DIM1

[NeoCaveman]

It's over. It's certified.

The purely academic recount is tentatively scheduled for Monday-Wednesday and the GOP has plenty of recount observers.

[AirForceMom]

I'm not saying you aren't correct on the illegally registered voters and those with licenses, but even with all the fraud going on, Bush won handily.

[GOP_1900AD]

You've got some good points. I believe there to be substantial Fifth Columns, certainly within government and to an extent within high tech. And I do not limit my definition of Fifth Column to the traditional far left wing of the Democrat Party. There are also Islamist and Commie symps within the Fifth Columns, who hate and want to destroy the USA.

[AirForceMom]

I don't know how it is in other states, but here in NY when we took our daughter to get her permit, she didn't have enough "points" as proof if ID. We couldn't sign for her, she was 21. She had to wait a while we had her set up a bank account and have her cell phone bill sent here instead of her b/f's house. I really don't understand how illegals get them in the first place, unless other states aren't as tough as NY.

[cgbg]

it is over

I agree with you but....there is a little more to the story.

There is the potential for a lot of mischief here:

The wacko lawsuit is being put in place to find evidence of fraud (since they don't have any right now).

Hopefully the Ohio court will rule that the clown filing it has no standing (since the losing candidate who claims the election could change should be the only one who has standing--and that would be Kerry). If they don't do that it opens the door for civil discovery. At that point hopefully the judge would ask the Republicans to enter the case to enter discovery motions of their own and defend themselves. But if the judge did not do so the civil suit would turn into a one sided circus with the plaintiff trying to take apart every voting machine, cross examine every voting official in the state, etc.

A good judge should tell the plaintiff to pound sand, but stranger things have happened.

Under that scenario if some evidence of fraud is found the plaintiff will try to argue that it was more than the difference between the candidates.

In the unlikely event that the judge bought this argument (which probably would be post inauguration) then the media could have a field day beating up on the Republicans.

So I see this lawsuit as a "mischief" lawsuit.

I hope the judge quickly dismisses the case and refers the plaintiffs attorney for disciplinary action to the Ohio bar for filing a frivolous and mischievous lawsuit.

[StJacques]

The possibility that the machines can be tampered with to ill effect after an election may be more realistic than many people realize, because there is precedent for it. I just tried to call this up in a web search, but found nothing that discussed the controversy, but there was an election stolen in the Louisiana gubernatorial primary -- yes I know we're talking about Louisiana, but bear with me, it's my state and I know the history of election fraud as well as anyone because of that -- in 1979.

Here in Louisiana people vote on the mechanical voting machines in which you close the curtain by pulling the main lever upon entry, then you pull the switches for the candidates and referenda choices, and then cast your vote by pulling the main lever, which records your vote and you leave. Our state law is that the votes are reported on election night after being recorded by the precinct commissioners, the machines are then "sealed" by belted wire and "tagged" to show the seal is intact, the machines are then brought "under seal" to a central collection warehouse in the parish [county for the rest of the country] and the following Tuesday the machines are reopened and the votes recorded then and there are the "official" votes counted, forget what is reported on election night, those numbers are "unofficial."

In the gubernatorial election of 1979 on election night returns showed Republican David Treen leading a field of six viable candidates, the other five were all Democrats [we have no political primaries in Louisiana], with the second place finisher being then Lt. Governor, Democrat Jimmy Fitzmorris. But when the machines were opened the ensuing Tuesday, Fitzmorris lost his runoff spot to another Democrat, Louis Lambert, a Public Service Commissioner who had the backing of organized labor. A lot of evidence from testimony was produced to show that the "official" returns did not match what precinct commissioners from something like twelve precincts in two or three parishes observed and reported on election night and some arrests were made of individuals who evidently broke into the machines and altered the numbers. But in spite of all this, the courts would not overturn the "official" count because none of the individuals arrested would testify to the fraud and the clock was ticking for the runoff.

The evidence that the election had been stolen by someone messing with the voting machines after election day was overwhelmingly obvious to everyone who viewed the situation objectively. Do you doubt me on this? Well how's this for evidence . . . after Fitzmorris dropped his court challenge all four of the Democrats who were beaten in the primary endorsed the Republican David Treen for Governor! This is no lie! They were known as the "Gang of Four" and included the Democrat Speaker of the Louisiana House, Bubba Henry; the Democrat Floor Leader of the State Senate Edgar Mouton; a prominent Democratic State Senator Paul Hardy, who would later become a Republican and be elected Secretary of State; and the aforementioned Lt. Governor and Democrat Jimmy Fitzmorris. Treen narrowly won election in the runoff and became the first Republican Governor of Louisiana since Reconstruction.

So my advice to everyone is not to take lightly what DIM1 puts up in his post. There is both ample room for mischief after the machines are used on election night and a precedent within the political history of the Democratic Party.

[NeoCaveman]

Did you see the second half of my post. The Republicans are on top of this. I'm in the county where shenanigans are most likely and I don't even have to observe the recount as they have too many volunteers, not to mention the out of state paid staff.

[cgbg]

My post was not addressing the recount--I was focusing on the planned lawsuit (was supposed to be filed this week) by Arnstedt (?) alleging election fraud in Ohio by the Republicans.

It is the talk of Dummyworld if you want further details.

I am happy to hear that the recount is being carefully monitored.

I wouldn't trust any Rat within a mile of a voting machine.

[NeoCaveman]

It is the talk of Dummyworld if you want further details.

I read the DUmmies FUnnies everyday. They are hoot ain't they.

[livius]

8 of the 19 hijackers were registered to vote

And as I recall, between them all, they had some 60 pieces of ID (DL, etc.) in different names.

[cgbg]

Apparently they have postponed the lawsuit until next Monday.

This is the day the electors vote so they want to compete for media attention.

The Dummie link is:

Ohio Lawsuit Info

[cgbg]

One other tidbit.

Apparently Conyers will be sending a letter to the judge seeking injunctive relief to stop the Ohio electors from voting.

I guess they couldn't get any Congressperson from Ohio to sign their name.

:-)

Conyers, for you "young folks" who may not know his history, did everything he could to support North Vietnam during the Vietnam War, the Communist government in Nicaragua during that Civil War, and Soviet imperial ambitions throughout the Cold War.

For him to claim any interest in the Democratic process is outrageous.

[jveritas]

This attorney that you are referring to is called Arnebeck and he is filing a law suit to overturn the election results in Ohio and give to Kerry (BWAHHHH) based on of the dumbest and funniest argument ever to be presented in a court of law.

His argument is that Ohio Supreme Court justice candidate Connaley (a Democrat) got more votes then Kerry in heavily Republican areas, thus there was a fraud. He based this idiotic argument on the fact that there is no way some lower candidate on the ballot can get more votes than the presidential candidate of his or her party. Here is how to debunk his argument in few seconds:

In the whole state of Ohio the Republican US Senator Voinovich got 580,000 votes more than President Bush, where as Kerry got 670,000 votes more than Connally the Ohio Supreme Court justice candidate.

Voinovich won most of the Ohio counties that President Bush lost. Even in the counties that both him and President Bush lost he still got more votes. For example in Cuayahoga county (Cleveland area) Voinovich got approximately 70,000 more votes than President Bush.

So if we have to apply the laughable argument of Arnebeck we should conclude there was much more fraud against President Bush than against John Kerry, and that President Bush should have won Ohio not only by 118,775 votes but by 698,775 votes!

[StJacques]

Thanks for the info you just posted jveritas. I'm tempted to say that I cannot believe a sane person would go into a court of law and make such an argument, but then we're not really talking about sane people here are we?

[jveritas]

then we're not really talking about sane people here are we?

No we are not. LOL!

[timydnuc]

"P.E.S.T stupor".

I think they have misnamed this syndrome. It should be Personally Induced Stress Syndrome.

[cgbg]

Excellent analysis.

The Dummies have been pushing infinite variations on this theme for the past month.

They also claim the exit polls were correct and the election results were wrong. I am sure the judge will be impressed with that argument. ;-)

I am fascinated that Kucinich has not joined in the Dummy fun. My guess is that he knows about lots of Rat fraud and dosen't want anyone digging too deeply into the Ohio numbers.

Hopefully the judge will put the Dummies out of their misery soon so they can get on with their new lives in Canada. :-)

[writmeister]

Plus, the Connally argument ignores the fact that Supreme Court candidates in Ohio do not have a party label on the ballot. This means that there were probably voters who did not know that Connally was the Democrat and Moyer was the Republican. In other words, unknowing GOP voters may have voted for her thinking she was the Republican or because she was a woman or because they liked her name better.

Down-ballot non-partisan races often produce odd results.

[AirForceMom]

There you go, I knew there had to be a better name for them.
The PEST name makes it sound to be a credible ailment.