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I appreciated this well written article on a subject difficult to understand but important in a field I am completely ignorant of. NYT has many faults but many accomplishments we would be poorer without.
1 posted on 12/10/2004 7:09:10 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

The NYT WYTs get it right every now and then. Even a stopped clock is right in two or three dimensions of the space-time continuum......


2 posted on 12/10/2004 7:13:29 AM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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To: shrinkermd

A good book about the subject

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393058581/qid=1102691824/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-3406403-9374245?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


4 posted on 12/10/2004 7:17:38 AM PST by Sinner6
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To: shrinkermd

So where can we buy the T-shirt?


5 posted on 12/10/2004 7:17:55 AM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: shrinkermd

Not to be a poop but the 10+ dimensional requirements for things to work remionds me of the Ptolomey model for the solar system. Full of complex gyrations to make up for knowledge of something we learned later.


6 posted on 12/10/2004 7:24:39 AM PST by ProudVet77 (Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore.)
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To: shrinkermd
Science is making it more and more clear that Men in Black was right...our universe really does exist in a gym locker in some sports facility belonging to those living in a higher dimension.
9 posted on 12/10/2004 7:31:02 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: shrinkermd

Interesting... bump for later.


10 posted on 12/10/2004 7:31:50 AM PST by SirChas (I posted this using Sun Solaris 10 (UNIX) on my PC!)
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To: shrinkermd

bump to read later


11 posted on 12/10/2004 7:34:17 AM PST by TX Bluebonnet
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To: shrinkermd
Yeah, but this isn't one of them. String theory has produced no predictions confirmed by observation beyond those offered by the union of general relativity and the standard model of particle physics. It purports to calculate quantities by summing over all possible embeddings of Riemann surfaces in certain spaces (10 or 11 dimensional), but once one is dealing with higher genus surfaces (imagine more and more handles on your coffee cup) there is no proceedure for 'regularizing' the infinite sum to produce a finite quantity. (Such procedures exist for low genus surfaces only up to 'two loops' in the physicists term of art.)

My closest colleague has tried to pin them down: string theorists assert with near clockwork regularity that string theory is 'perturbatively finite', but when you ask them where this is proven, most can't point to a source, and those who can point to a paper in which the methods only work up to two loops. . .or they give bogus arguments based on misunderstandings of a mathematical construct called Teichmuller space. And, to date string theory can only be done in a 'flat background' space-- but general relativity tells us gravity is equivalent to certain kinds of curvature on space. If it's not perturbatively finite, or can't be done in a realistic space-time, string theory isn't even a theory much less a theory of everything.

Of course, neither the popular science press nor the National Science Foundation seem to have noticed this, not even when Edward Witten, one of the leading lights of string theory over its 20 year life has given up on it to turn to work on loop quantum gravity--which according to the string-theorist quoted in the times (who has no basis in either physical or mathematical fact for his assertion) 'must be part of string theory'. It isn't.

13 posted on 12/10/2004 7:35:37 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was)
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To: shrinkermd

Yes, but this article would be quite different if either the GOP or the Dems adopted belief of string theory into their party planks.

Thankfully, that hasn't happened yet. lol.


16 posted on 12/10/2004 7:39:44 AM PST by linear (You men can't fight in here - this is the War Room!)
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To: shrinkermd
the proverbial "theory of everything" that could be written on a T-shirt.

42.

17 posted on 12/10/2004 7:57:16 AM PST by Squawk 8888
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To: shrinkermd

Fantastic, but over my head. It's nice to know we may not be limited by relativity and C in exploring the universe in the near future.


18 posted on 12/10/2004 7:57:55 AM PST by eagle11
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To: shrinkermd

My theory is that any N theories can be "unified" by postulating a new universal theory with N + 1 dimensions.


22 posted on 12/10/2004 8:07:06 AM PST by palmer ("Oh you heartless gloaters")
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To: shrinkermd

I always wanted to know about newer modern physics, so I
got Hawkings books, including "universe in a nutshell",
and Greens book, The elegant universe. These concepts are
very difficult for nonmathematicians or maths which don't
specify "topology'...

What is fascinating to me is that strings are suppposedly
these tiny (like 10 to the minus 33) meters size vibrating
loops of energy...but can't there be 1/2 strings, or left
strings, right string? substring areas???..and by the way,
what is energy? Can it be detected by what it does, or
does it exist without our ability to dectect it?
Does energy move material objects? Since material objects
according to string theory are only manifestations of the
vibrational patterns of strings, does that mean energy is
what moves its own species??? It sounds very reminiscent
of it being self-existing on its own without beginning and
without end.....but it is impersonal...hmmmmm....

Finally, some of the maths used to explain these subatomic
physical oddities are accessible only to mathematicians.
They incorporate ideas such as "imaginary time", the
sum of paths mentioned earlier, things existing only because
they are "detected" , fabric of space changing or opening and
closing, multiple universes undetectable by us (as our
physics is different)...and somethings (is that a good wor
to describe it?) called Calabi-Yau spaces which explain in a
spatial way how the extra 7-8 dimension curl up. Like I
said, you gotta he heavy into math to even understand what
they be talk'n 'bout, never mind prove or disprove it...

It is interesting however. We may find that we are trying
to make up "just so" stories to explain that we cannot
really "get at" the core bits of matter/strings cause the
energy requirements to control them or blast them out of
their "comfy" homes are too great. Example, it may take
a supercollider the size of our solar system to generate the
energy to accelerate these "particles" very close to the
speed of light....

Alright, enough of this. Time to watch the 3 stooges.Nyuk,
Nyuk, Nyuk.


28 posted on 12/10/2004 8:29:23 AM PST by Getready ((...Fear not ...))
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To: shrinkermd

I've believed in string theory for some time. I read a book that talked about it a LONG time ago.

It's called the Bible...


31 posted on 12/10/2004 8:35:55 AM PST by RobRoy (Science is about "how." Christianity is about "why.")
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To: shrinkermd

I always thought there was seven.


33 posted on 12/10/2004 8:37:13 AM PST by bmwcyle (I wear sleepwear therefore I think (When they are off I am single minded))
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To: Allan

Bump


34 posted on 12/10/2004 8:43:52 AM PST by Allan
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To: shrinkermd
My kind of String theory:


36 posted on 12/10/2004 8:59:40 AM PST by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: shrinkermd
Posted on the 7th, as a search on "String Theory" would have revealed:
String Theory, at 20, Explains It All (or Not).
42 posted on 12/10/2004 10:40:30 AM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: shrinkermd
Maybe Black holes are gateways into different dimensions.

Or maybe I watched too much Twilight Zone as a child... :)

45 posted on 12/10/2004 11:39:53 AM PST by Walkin Man
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String Theory, at 20, Explains It All (or Not)
The New York Times | December 7, 2004 | Dennis Overbye
Posted on 12/07/2004 10:01:55 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1296277/posts


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