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Hannity sees the light-calls for pulling kids out of government schools.
fox news-hannity and combs | 12/09/04 | self

Posted on 12/09/2004 6:49:31 PM PST by mysonsfuture

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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
And that solves the problem of educating children from poor families how?

You may fancy yourself a math wiz- but problem solving is not your forte....

221 posted on 12/11/2004 6:53:07 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (I am not NOT PC.. And Proud of it!: Merry Christmas! Happy Hanukkah!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
And how do we offer a decent education to ALL of our citizens without tax monies? Should it be a voluntary/honor system?

Most parents can afford a decent education for their children. Most adults can pursue their own further education, and pay for it.

For the very few that have suffered a catastrophe, charity can fill the gap.

222 posted on 12/11/2004 7:09:12 PM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent
okay...I would agree to that IF education were affordable.. but it isn't so we are back to where we started- which is that we need to deal with reality.
223 posted on 12/11/2004 7:26:33 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (I am not NOT PC.. And Proud of it!: Merry Christmas! Happy Hanukkah!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Parents, in the main, can afford a decent education for their children.

Most may not have the funds to employ others as babysitters for 13 years, but there we have a separate discussion.

224 posted on 12/11/2004 8:03:56 PM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent
I disagree with that. I homeschool my children- so I know how much it costs to supply a well rounded education which will allow them to be competitive in the workplace as well as make contributions to our country.

It is not cheap.

I spend approximately $500.00 on school supplies per year per child, But- hubby makes enough that I can stay home and survive on one income.

I also have two computers and many other resources that other families may not be able to afford.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that it is ultimately the parents responsibility to supply a good education to their children ,and that this should be done at the most minimal involvement of the government and the taxpayer. But since I consider an educated citizenry to be a benefit to all taxpayers- I see it as our responsibility to offer some educational resources to families who can not afford to homeschool or to are not able to homeschool.

Even though I pay taxes for a public school system- And I myself do not benefit from that system at all, I consider it my duty as an American to pay taxes so that some child somewhere will get an education.

I agree 100% that the taxes are too high and the by product of public education, in many cases is mediocre...My ideas to change that are obviously different than yours.

225 posted on 12/12/2004 4:52:45 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (I am not NOT PC.. And Proud of it!: Merry Christmas! Happy Hanukkah!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
But since I consider an educated citizenry to be a benefit to all taxpayers- I see it as our responsibility to offer some educational resources to families who can not afford to homeschool or to are not able to homeschool.

For our system to work, we must have a lot of consensus, and a minimal amount of coercion.

All taxes involve coercion, unlike purchases made at stores, or donations to charities. Because of the coercive nature of taxes, we would do well to minimize them, and eliminate them where we can.

Taxes hurt the pocketbook, but they do more damage by substituting coercion for persuasion.

226 posted on 12/12/2004 8:27:02 AM PST by secretagent
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To: Texas Songwriter

I've been warning parents about the indoctrination schools for at least 25 years. It's time someone with a public voice picks up the banner, like Sean Hannity. Competition may well be the answer. Vouchers! Vouchers! Vouchers!


227 posted on 12/12/2004 8:37:33 AM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: secretagent
"All taxes involve coercion...."

I disagree with that. There are some ( yes few) good reasons to pay some taxes.

I guess you don't understand what I am saying.. I DON'T MIND PAYING SOME TAXES FOR THE PURPOSE OF A PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM!!!! ( whew I feel better now!)

There are other people out there who will agree that it is our duty to help provide some educational resources to the citizens of this country.

It is not socialism, communism or anything else to say that either. Everyone ,who lives in this country ,benefits from a public educational system...

I am not talking about educational methods or theories or curriculum here.... I am talking about the basic concept that American citizens are able to get a decent education even if their parents are idiots, poor as dirt, totally dis interested in them. Should parents be responsible? YES THEY SHOULD. Are they? NOT ALWAYS! BE REALISITIC!

IT is not that difficult to explain to people what would happen in our country ,and to our Republic ,if the masses were not able to get an education ,and if only the rich kids got a decent education.

My kids are the rich kids..... They are homeschooled... I still think it is legit for me to pay some taxes for education my children's peers. I will benefit from it, my family will benefit from it, my children will benefit from it.

Are we done going round robin here.

You and I are not even talking about the same topic here.

228 posted on 12/12/2004 11:39:51 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (I am not NOT PC.. And Proud of it!: Merry Christmas! Happy Hanukkah!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
"All taxes involve coercion...." I disagree with that. There are some ( yes few) good reasons to pay some taxes.

Don't you agree that all taxes, no matter for what, involve coercion? By coercion, I mean the threat and/or application of physical violence to compel ertain behaviors.

Doesn't all law, including tax legislation, specify means of enforcement, always leading to sanctioned violence if the criminal decides to take it that far?

229 posted on 12/12/2004 4:19:12 PM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent

ertain = certain


230 posted on 12/12/2004 4:21:10 PM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent
Ahhh.. some legalese. Of course you make a technically correct statement but it only applies to some people.

Some people voluntarily follow laws and some people volunteer to be good citizens. Some people need some coercion. Some people need coercion to be good parents, to get out of bed, to not murder people. Some people don't need coercion.

Which again brings us right back to where we started.

And would you agree that grass, when watered correctly and when given sufficient amounts of sunshine and aeration, is green?

231 posted on 12/12/2004 5:57:51 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (I am not NOT PC.. And Proud of it!: Merry Christmas! Happy Hanukkah!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Of course you make a technically correct statement but it only applies to some people.

The laws apply to all.

Some people voluntarily follow laws and some people volunteer to be good citizens. Some people need some coercion. Some people need coercion to be good parents, to get out of bed, to not murder people. Some people don't.

Most people don't need coercion to get out of bed, and I don't know any laws requiring that, do you?

Most people don't need coercion to force them to do well, in fact coercion thwarts the development of virtue.

And would you agree that grass, when watered correctly and when given sufficient amounts of sunshine and aeration, is green?

Yes, frequently. Your point?

232 posted on 12/12/2004 6:47:30 PM PST by secretagent
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To: mysonsfuture

And another Catholic School bump.

And another home school bump.


233 posted on 12/12/2004 6:52:44 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: secretagent
Wait a min.... I forgot your point! LOL! I think this is going to have to be the end of our little exchange on this thread. Perhaps we will *meet* again- to dance around a different topic....

Have a good one.

234 posted on 12/12/2004 7:05:28 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (I am not NOT PC.. And Proud of it!: Merry Christmas! Happy Hanukkah!)
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To: don-o

I know. That's sad but true.


235 posted on 12/13/2004 6:02:53 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

OK, bye.


236 posted on 12/13/2004 7:16:46 AM PST by secretagent
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