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To: polyester~monkey
With today's tech, as long as there are people in China who will work for 5 cents an hour, American steel and manufacturing is GONE.

This is largely true, but it doesn't have to be true. The cost of running a steel company could be (dramatically) simplified to the following:
1. Cost of materials, +
2. Cost of labor, +
3. Cost of shipping to the customer.

On factor #1, China and the US are essentially tied. We've got iron ore, and they've got iron ore. On factor #2, China has the US beat hollow. On factor #3, the US has China beat hollow (assuming domestic or nearby consumption).

Solution: diminish the extent to which factor #2 is important by using new processes which aren't labor-intensive. You might end up with a steel foundry which had 45 employees instead of 1,200, but you'd also end up with an American company which could produce steel price-competitively with China.

(The successful American mini-mills are competing on both #1 and #2. They use small amounts of labor, and they generally recycle scrap steel instead of using new ore - a cheaper input. Why don't you ever heard about the mini-mills? Because the steel unions hate them and want to pretend that the rusting hulks of Pennsylvania are the entire steel industry.)

18 posted on 12/09/2004 2:28:45 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: SedVictaCatoni

Most excellent analysis! I guess most of it boils down to getting rid of the bloody labor unions.


20 posted on 12/09/2004 2:31:01 PM PST by polyester~monkey (4 Senate seats, 4 House Seats, and 52% of the popular vote: AMERICA HAS SPOKEN)
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To: SedVictaCatoni

I'd like to know why we aren't subsidizing more of these "mini-mills" to produce this armor - you know, I'd like to take that money from the National Endowment for the Arts and spend it on armor instead.

I think it would be a fair trade to give a mini-mill the seed capital to produce armor instead of giving to leftist performance artists...


23 posted on 12/09/2004 2:41:26 PM PST by dandelion (http://thequestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: SedVictaCatoni
Because the steel unions hate them and want to pretend that the rusting hulks of Pennsylvania are the entire steel industry.)

Most steel in Pennsylvania is produced in union shop electric-arc furnace "mini-mills". The largest are at AK Steel-Butler, ISG-Coatesville, ISG-Steelton, Allegheny Ludlum-Natrona, Allegheny Ludlum-Brackenridge, and Allegheny Ludlum-Midland. The Unions don't "hate" mini-mills. They work at them. Lets not drag union bashing in where it is not needed.

There's no need for an anti-union diatribe here.

130 posted on 12/10/2004 7:22:06 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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