Posted on 12/09/2004 10:02:15 AM PST by nanak
If a tresspasser is allowed to continue tresspassing, but legally, is that amnesty?
If the trespasser pays a fine in court, and then gains the consent of the property owner, no.
Now, answer my question.
TOM TANCREDO is the strongest candidate our party has. A down to earth, to the point, and straight talking person. When attacked, he fights back instead of going on defensive. He is right on taxes, right on values, right on foreign policy, right on immigration, right on education, right on.....everythin we the true NATIONALIST CONSERVATIVES care about. Please check out some to TANCREDO's interviews:
Tom Tancredo on Day Side with Linda Vester
LOL No, your question just isn't relevant. Obviously if you pay a fine for speeding, that isn't amnesty, but just as obviously, that isn't analogous to what's being proposed by President Bush for illegal aliens.
If the trespasser pays a fine in court, and then gains the consent of the property owner, no.
Well, we're not talking about paying fines in court, or the consent of the property owners, we're talking about fees for an application, and a ruling by a bureaucrat on acceptance that the illegal alien may continue to trespass.
The paramount legal consequence now for an illegal alien is deportation, which ends the trespass. Under the Bush proposal, that consequence would be removed and the trespass would be legalized. That's why the proposal is an amnesty.
Tancredo has a guest worker proposal for applicants from their home countries. That's a better option, as it meets our labor needs without rewarding illegal aliens at the expense of law abiding applicants.
Yes, all true. But if he doesn't get the party's nomination and runs as an independent or third party candidate he will just siphon off votes and Hillary will be president. Mark my words.
Mr. Tacredo is Hitlery's worst nightmare.
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Four more years of Bush's open border government that openly disobeys the country's laws; his acquiescence to lowering the standard of living by caving to the business people who want slave wages; and the depletion of our social services by the illegals, guess I'd like to know who or what is going to be left to govern?
My opinion is that four more years like the last four years and America will be one nation with Mexico. With the Mexicans on top.
If illegal immigration isn't stopped now by our friends in Congress, our country is going to be so radically altered by the next election that neither candidate can do anything to make it right. I think Tancredo knows that, and I think that is why he said he and others are going to fight and fight hard to stop the massive invasion Bush and his supporters have brought on America.
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I hate to say this, but anyone who goes through the legal immigration process is a complete and utter idiot.
No offense to you, I know you thought you were doing the right thing - but you are going to be penalized.
I've no idea why anyone goes through the green card application process. A completely unnecessary, time consuming, and sometimes expensive endeavor.
And you run the risk of being deported (something that wouldn't happen if you had simply snuck in).
Drop out of the system, my friend. It's a suckers game.
Oh, and if I may add. Thank you for taking the time to learn the language. You are truly unique.
When was the last time the Republicans nominated a strong candidate? Who do you suggest for 2008? I like Tancredo.
"Oh, and if I may add. Thank you for taking the time to learn the language. You are truly unique."
Its truely amazing to think that there are educated, talented people out there in the world who speak English, have a job skill, and actually want to come to America to be part of the American experience, not just to latch onto all the freebies.
Hes not an idiot...just a man with some principles. We could use more of him.
We better not penalize these folks, in our quest to be 'fair' to all the rest.
VICTOR DAVIS HANSON 12/08/04
DOBBS: This debate over what is effectively assimilation in this country is the at center of our Face Off tonight. Joining me from Dallas, syndicated columnist with the Dallas Morning News, Ruben Navarrette. He says Latinos are making strides in assimilating into this country.
Victor David Hanson disagrees, saying we're allowing immigrant groups to vulcanize and to separate from our mainstream population. He is a senior fellow from the Hoover Organization, joining us tonight from Palo Alto, California. ~snip~
DOBBS: The cultural right. Victor Davis Hanson, is that you?
VICTOR DAVIS HANSON, SR. FELLOW HOOVER INSTITUTION: I don't know. That's kind of a buzz word. But the problem is we've never had in the United States 13 million, 10 to 13 million people here illegally. Nor have we had a situation where the host has lost confidence in the powers of assimilation so that we have people who go to school and learn in two languages.
People always -- immigrants spoke their native language for a while. But because of the sheer number of people, we're having a constant pull now of first and second generation people who simply don't speak English.
By any historical marker we know what happens in places like Iraq with Shi'ites and Kurds and Sunnis, or in Rwanda or the Balkans. Anytime a person owes their allegiance to a particular language or language or tribe rather than as a nation as a whole, you start to unravel these very precious, historic bonds that keep us together. We're a nation, not cultures, but of different races that have one common culture. We're really the only successful multiracial society in the history of civilization. ~snip~
DOBBS: Victor, this issue is boiling up, as I said to Ruben, this cultural right stuff, I think personally, is nonsense. I think the cultural left is also nonsense. I think what we have, if I may say, and I would love to hear your thoughts on this, and yours as well, Ruben, we have a bunch of people with a vested interest in this subject that are distorting the reality for all of us who are not directly involved in that first or second generation of immigration into this country whether legal or illegal.
And by that, I mean, we have unions that are trying to bring in cheap labor to be exploited, frankly. We have corporate America who want to bring in cheap labor to be exploited. Both are benefiting.
And we're not even beginning to control our borders, let alone our schools or the cultural institutions, including church's, including our schools. And there's a tremendous problem.
How do we deal with it?
HANSON: I agree with you. I don't see this as a political left or right. My experience in talking to a variety of people, it's a class issue. People who are in the halls of corporate American, people in the Chicano studies departments, people in journalism, people in politics who don't live with the reality every day tend to think it's not a problem. People who try to go to school in the public schools, assimilate, they want this.
Some of the success stories Ruben is referring to came in spite of, not because of, a lot of the leadership in the Latino community that fought tooth and nail, bilingual education and ethnic identification.
One of the reasons that we're starting to recover our confidence in the melting pot in California is that the people rose up and said, no more bilingual education. They said no more ethnic identification for jobs, we're all here as Californians. And now we have this ironic Orwellian situation that, with the powers of popular culture and the revolt of the people, they've started to bring back this idea. And all of a sudden spokesmen say, see it's working. It's working despite people in the past who have tried to separate us.
DOBBS: Victor Davis Hanson, Ruben Navarrette, we thank you very much. We hope you'll both be back as we continue our examination on this. And we know you will continue to examine the issue from your perspectives, almost daily.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/08/ldt.01.html
Aired Dec. 8, 2004
There is lots of money to be made off of a presidential campaign, especially once you qualify for federal funding.
Buchanan can't attract any contributions because he has firmly established himself as a perinnial loser. So he will run Tancredo in his place.
Again he'll probably suck as much money out of Republican contributors as he can and then jump to a third party to prolong the contribution scam game through the general election.
Of course Tamcredo will lose his congressional seat and forever be known as a nut case loser, but the million dollars or so that he will stick in his pocket will compensate for that.
Is The White House aware that the National Border Patrol Council, which represents rank and file Border Patrol agents, says the president's plan will produce another surge in illegal alien traffic?
Yes the PRESIDENT is aware of it. Unfortunately, he is still going to ignore them.
You are nothing but La Raza's sock puppet.
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