>>>>So if the choice is between two pro-choice people, you wouldn't mind Hillary winning given all of her liberal views? Yes, I know Rudy is left of center on social issues, but he is not on fiscal and security issues.
The question isn't only "don't I mind Hillary." I do mind Hillary, but voting in a presidential election should be so simple minded.
The questions are much deeper than that, IMHO. Right now the only viable party pro-lifers have is the Republican party. The guys who control it only tolerate pro-lifers becuase of our votes, but their hearts lie in the fiscal conservative direction much more than in the social conservative direction.
Right now they will put pro-lifers up for office only somewhat grudgingly, in large part because they need our votes. If they can get our votes for free, e.g., Rudy, then they have no reason to give us what we want. We would be the Blacks of the Republican party at that point. The long term damage to the pro-life movement that would be the result of voting for Rudy is enormous, IMHO, and outweighs the cost of a lost election. If you all didn't get that hint with Bush I and Dole, that conservatives of various differnt stripes won't vote for middling RINOs, and you nominate a true RINO like Rudy, you'll get the same message once again -- another Democrat in the White house.
I'm not a die hard fiscal conservative. I'm more a conservative than a liberal, but Rudy's fiscal conservatism is barely a positive to me, as I don't really see much from him on the subject. His strength on security is great, but I don't see much experience. Still, that's a strength. Neither are even remotely enough to overcome his unwavering support for gays and abortion, and I would consider myself at least somewhat conservative on both fiscal and security issues.
Fiscal conservative Republicans have to get something through their heads. Not all of their voters are fiscal conservatives. If you drop the values portion of the platform, they WILL stay home, as will I.
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Take a closer look at the leadership of the Republican Party and tell me that they are pro-choice.
I would say that I personally, as well as many of us on FR, are pretty strongly conservative on all three (fiscal, security, social) counts. For me, the pro-life issue is quite important, but I am more of a fiscal conservative than anything.