Posted on 12/09/2004 12:52:41 AM PST by ajolympian2004
In Estes Park, there's discomfort on all political sides that the flap over a town trustee's refusal to recite the Pledge of Allegiance is redefining the community.
"Estes Park is becoming known as a town that wants to recall someone instead of as a tourist attraction," said Linda Wagner, a 12-year resident.
A passionate conservative Christian is more powerful than any liberal can ever imagine.
Amen to that and I'm fired up also as many of us are and proved it in this election. They are really going too far by trying to get rid of Christmas.
But if you repeat a LIE long enough and often enough it becomes accepted fact.
Francis Bellamy was a socialist nutjob obsessed with preventing another attempt at secession: one nation, indivisible...It's like he's rubbing the South's face in it. Is the "indivisibility" of our "one" nation anywhere in the Constitution? Are any states currently trying to split? It's as relevant as a pledge that insists on our autonomy from Britain.
I think the difference is that we are pledging our allegiance to our country that believes in liberty and justice for all...
... versus in North Korea, Cuba, Iran, China and others where you are pledging to the person whose picture is posted anywhere you might look throughout the country.
Which fears have no basis in historical or present reality.
Your neighbors whom you apparantly fear are the most kindly and tolerant people in the history of humankind.
ROFL, serves the goober right. He could have just skipped the part he didn't like. Sitting for the PoA just shows he's and anti-Amercian Clymer.
:P
I think you're overstating the problem just a little bit.
BELLAMY WAS AN UNBELIEVER-AND A SOCIALIST. THE GUY HAS A
RIGHT TO NOT PARTICIPATE.AND A PETITION FOR HIS REMOVAL OUGHT BE ON GROUNDS OF INCOMPETANCE--NOT RESTRICTED TO HIS
IGNORANCE,OR MISUNDERSTANDING OF AMERICAN HISTORY. I ALWAYS
BELIEVE DESTES PARK WAS JEALOUS OF ASPEN AND VAIL TOO RICH
AND ELITIST FOR MY FAVOR.
The culture war rages on...
Yo - dipwad, James Madison authored the Constitution. And FYI, Thomas Jefferson authored the Declaration of Independence (where God is referenced).
And jacka$$, explain this if 'God' is NOT in the Constitution:
Now if not God, exactly whom were 'we' asking to secure "blessings", huh?!? The frigging King of Siam?!?Preamble We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Conservative Christians are fanatics?
YAY! I've made the big time!! I'm a fanatic!!
Maybe I shouldn't, but I have these paranoid fears that vindictive theists want to burn me and those who believe like me at the stake
reads a lot differently than:
If only you were really talking about red and blue, but you're not, you're actually talking about religion. Maybe I shouldn't, but I have these paranoid fears that vindictive theists want to burn me and those who believe like me at the stake, even if metaphorically.
That last clause is essential in underlining that I'm not really talking about being burned at the stake. Without it, I sound like a rambling nutbar who's afraid the good christians are going to come kill me, not merely marginalize or censure me.
It's time also if he remains seated.
He is presumably capable of standing and placing his right hand over his heart. He is not forced to do this; neither is he forced to be a public official paid by the public
Well, obviously, I have no right personally. However, as a greater society we have a great deal to say about how the Amish live their lives. Ask the Mormons about sticky religious practices that were proscribed across the country.
We MUST return control of the local communities to the local communities. We MUST return control of the states to the states. Those right not SPECIFICALLY enumerated within the constitution must be granted to the States and the Individual respectively. Specifically does not mean 'prenumberances' either.
I've had this argument with many, many a Southern type, and the answer remains the same: There is no going back. For good or for bad, state citizenship means little in the 21st century. In the early 20th century, according to the census's then, most people still died within 50 miles of their birth. Today, chances are you'll live in at least 3 states in your lifetime.
You can argue the philosphy back and forth until the cows come home, but that won't do a damned thing to turn back the clock and erode the growing national citizenship at the expense of a diminished state citizenship. IBM, Oil companies, the military, et al will still continue to move their people to and fro. The population of many states will continue to include more out of staters (and even foreign born) that natives. It's just a fact of modern day life.
That last clause is essential in underlining that I'm not really talking about being burned at the stake. Without it, I sound like a rambling nutbar who's afraid the good christians are going to come kill me, not merely marginalize or censure me.
If the community decides on a set of morals and you do not live up to those morals then you should be marginalized and/or censured. This is not the same as being burned at the stake by any stretch of the imagination.
The point that was made is that the local community should have control over the local community. There is no constitutional prohibition against a local community enforcing Christianity (or any other religion)
no one said anything about state citizenship. The point was that States should control what happens in those states
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