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Farmer recounts fatal shot
Rapid City Journal ^ | Tuesday, December 7, 2004 11:37 PM MST | Kevin Woster

Posted on 12/08/2004 8:07:05 AM PST by phasma proeliator

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To: IGOTMINE

kudos to you for catching that....


21 posted on 12/08/2004 8:35:09 AM PST by phasma proeliator (It's not always being fast or even accurate that counts... it's being willing.)
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To: hopespringseternal
"Let's see: The hunters were in his field without informing him or getting his consent, and he was firing a rifle off randomly."

His field was licensed to the DNR as public hunting grounds.

22 posted on 12/08/2004 8:35:22 AM PST by Oblongata
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To: todd1
where these guys trespassing on his property? I mean he was shooting into one of his fields... How would he know that there would be people there? especially if they were hidden in a duck decoy.

For one thing, it seems as though he leased his land to the state for public hunting, in which case he should have expected hunters. Even if they were trespassing, however, it's still not a good idea to go firing rifles without knowing where the bullets are going, unless you own so much land that you are positive that the bullet is going to come down on your land.

23 posted on 12/08/2004 8:35:28 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: Oblongata

Agreed he checked, but unless his eyes are lots better than mine, even with binoculars, using a rifle in that manner was a bad idea.


25 posted on 12/08/2004 8:36:27 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (I'm here because I'm not all there.)
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To: phasma proeliator
From a distance, even through binoculars, this is probably pretty indistinguishable from a live goose.


26 posted on 12/08/2004 8:38:19 AM PST by Oblongata
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To: hopespringseternal
getting his consent,

That's not what the story says.

27 posted on 12/08/2004 8:47:27 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: phasma proeliator
(1) You should never fire random shots with a rifle. It's not a toy.

(2) If you've leased your land to the Widlife Commission for hunting, you shouldn't be shooting out there at all.

This guy's blaming God - when teh fact is, he was careless.

I feel sorry for everyone involved.

28 posted on 12/08/2004 9:02:09 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: hopespringseternal
The hunters were in a field the farmer himself had leased out to the gaming commission for hunting purposes.

They were there legally and the farmer should have exercised more caution, since he knew that hunters would be on the leased land during the season.

29 posted on 12/08/2004 9:03:51 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake; Rodney King; Oblongata; TomPaineInTheButt; Tijeras_Slim; todd1; E. Pluribus Unum; ...

I'm surprised that the remaining hunter didn't open fire on the farmer. especially when he "chased him".

I think this could have been worse - and I'm not sure what I would have done if I had been in this situation (as the other hunter having just seen my buddy get shot) - but I don't think I would have done nothing - at minimun I would have ORDERED (at gun point) the guy to surrender his weapon... then we would have went from there...(hopefully he would have surrendered it).

It's interesting to me that nobody has commented on this aspect yet.


30 posted on 12/08/2004 9:30:01 AM PST by phasma proeliator (It's not always being fast or even accurate that counts... it's being willing.)
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To: phasma proeliator
at minimun I would have ORDERED (at gun point) the guy to surrender his weapon... then we would have went from there...(hopefully he would have surrendered it).

I guess it's a good thing you weren't involved. Looks like the people who were involved in this tragedy acted rationally after the initial incident.

31 posted on 12/08/2004 9:36:00 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: phasma proeliator

Hmmm...if I just found out I had accidently shot the guy's buddy, I don't think I would have surrendered my weapon, either. People could do just about anything under such circumstances.


32 posted on 12/08/2004 9:38:25 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: conservativebabe

I don't think you live with such a thing so much as die in stages because of it.


33 posted on 12/08/2004 9:41:02 AM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I don't think I would have surrendered it either..

It's an interesting discussion point for me...

I try to prepare mentally as much as I can for different scenarios - this one has me thinking..


34 posted on 12/08/2004 9:55:39 AM PST by phasma proeliator (It's not always being fast or even accurate that counts... it's being willing.)
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To: EternalVigilance

but... if you had just seen your buddy get shot in the head - and then this truck comes racing across the field at you.... would you feel threatened?

I would.

In fear for your life?

I would...


35 posted on 12/08/2004 9:57:57 AM PST by phasma proeliator (It's not always being fast or even accurate that counts... it's being willing.)
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To: phasma proeliator
I'm surprised that the remaining hunter didn't open fire on the farmer. especially when he "chased him".

Probably because a shotgun doesn't reach as far as a rifle.

36 posted on 12/08/2004 10:09:07 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: phasma proeliator
That's a decision typically reached in hunting accidents, he said.

The shooter wasn't hunting.

He inteneded to be engaged in an illegal activity - shooting at waterfowl with a rifle.

37 posted on 12/08/2004 10:12:31 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: hopespringseternal
"Let's see: The hunters were in his field without informing him or getting his consent,..."

Read the article again, especially this part:

"... land that Johnson's father, Myron, had leased to the state Game, Fish & Parks Department for walk-in public hunting."

I didn't think you needed the landowner's consent if it's land he has leased to the state for public hunting.

For that matter, WTF was he doing trying to scare off geese from land his family has leased to the state for hunting?

Whatever you want to call this incident, "accident" just isn't the right word.

38 posted on 12/08/2004 11:07:22 AM PST by Redbob (Raise your right hand if you like the French. Raise both hands if you are French.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I agree with you, the only point I was making is that this farmer obviously made a horrible mistake and now an innocent man is dead. He will have to deal with that.


39 posted on 12/08/2004 12:35:09 PM PST by conservativebabe
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To: conservativebabe

The farmer acted without malice, but the thing I always keep formost in mind is that firearms punish mistakes with a severity that tremendously exceeds the momentary carelessness involved. Over 30 years of shooting and I've never hit other than what I aimed at (which means I passed on plenty of shots.)


40 posted on 12/08/2004 12:40:25 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (I'm here because I'm not all there.)
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