Posted on 12/07/2004 12:06:09 PM PST by LouAvul
Yep...can you say dead church? I want to be in service where His living presence is moving FREELY among us; not in some mortuary where we are just reminded that He exists.
Wow, that just about says it all...
Amen!
Of course. Blame the music. Let's blame video games for kids driving like idiots and getting killed in car wrecks, shall we?
If kids were drawn into the Occult because of Black Sabbath, then they are idiots who didn't actually pay attention to the message - but their idiocy is Ozzy's fault. Ok. Got it.
get real.
Oh, and that "vain repetitions" verse was not about praise and worship no matter how you twist it.
That blame number sounds like the liberal mantra. No one wants to accept responsibility for one's self. Some that preach accepting responsibility are the first ones to blame others for behavior or whatever else they don't agree with on someone else.
"Keep on rockin' with your free will"???
Yep, bad analogy. The Christian rock my kids listen to is awesome and I won't hesitate to support the particular bands whose faith I am sure of (through their testimonies, their lifestyles, their witness..IOW, their fruits) buy buying their work and seeing their concerts.
It's just another result of years of liberalism creeping into the churches. Sad.
When I was a teenager, myself and a few other kids from our Baptist Youth Fellowship group got together and wrote some pretty rocking tunes with a christian message, and we were well-received by our stick-in-the-mud reverend, who allowed us to perform one sunday after services - and most of the congregation stayed. Most thought it was great to see kids using whatever talents God gave them to glorify Him.
And that is such a Bad Thing™ that the whole congregation has been corrupted by The Devil, and his Demon Backbeat™
You might appreciate these observations :
Just some quick notes from Bible.org on Leviticus 10 1:
"The expression “strange fire” (hr`z` va@) seems imprecise and has been interpreted numerous ways (see the helpful summary in Hartley, Leviticus [WBC] 132-133). The infraction may have involved any of the following or a combination thereof: (1) using coals from someplace other than the burnt offering altar (i.e., “unauthorized coals” according to Milgrom, Leviticus 1-16 [AB], 598; cf. Lev 16:12 and cf. “unauthorized person” rz` vya! in Num 16:40 [17:5 HT], NASB “layman”), (2) using the wrong kind of incense (cf. the Exod 30:9 regulation against “strange incense” hr`z` tr#f)q= on the incense altar and the possible connection to Exod 30:34-38), (3) performing an incense offering at an unprescribed time (Levine, Leviticus [JPSTC], 59), or (4) entering the Holy of Holies at an inappropriate time (Lev 16:1-2)."
I'm not Jewish. I don't prepare a blood and incense offering to the Lord.
Christ was my offering once and for all, and this offering was prepared by the Lord.
Furthermore, it appears that they disobeyed some strict rules about a very important thing, the thing that was literally the symbol of the final sacrifice of the life of Christ. And done for posterity.
We in fact CAN do whatever we merrily choose that is not expressly forbidden as long as it does not conflict with the tuggings of the spirit, which dwells in the heart of every believer.
We are sinning if we look at internet porn even if the Bible is silent on the internet, photos or even paintings.
But this music judgementalism is sounding more and more like a Talibanesque sort of thing. I thank God that neither you nor I am God. It wouldn't be pretty.
Are you Jewish?
Like Christmas music? Are you kidding? I love it!!
Could you get back to me during Easter and we'll see what we can provide for your edification. In the meanwhile you might wish to visit the Itunes Music Store which is downloadable at: Link
Once there you might sample some of the pieces from "Hymns Triumphant." You'll find many selections which include both hymns and carols reverently performed. (the London Philharmonic).
I'm sure you'll be edified.
Thanks for asking.
--Dave
You might also wish to sample the CDs of the Kings College Choir sometime. They aren't yet available at Itunes
Ever since I started playing in bands, I don't appreciate recorded music that much. Music is more and more of a participation thing with me nowadays. I will occasionally download songs I want to learn off Kazaa, but that is about it.
I do enjoy live music. For me, half the fun of music performance is watching the skill of the musicians along with light shows, etc. I have been anticipating the DVD release of Pink Floyd's Pulse concert now for years. It is looking like early next year.
Yeah, now that I think about it, I haven't bought a cd in seven years, and most that I did buy in the years preceding this dry spell were used - but I have bought quite a few DVD concerts...
My wife loves Christmas music. I don't like it. The modern stuff is too saccharin, and the "hymn style" Christmas music moves me only through cultural heart strings, which grow thin over the years - they are just too sterile and "rote" to me to have any impact. If I hear Joy to the World, one more time, I think I will scream. Don't get me wrong, the lyrics are technically correct, but I've heard bad sermons that are technically correct. By "bad" I mean disjointed, slow, and/or hard to follow.
On the other hand, I really enjoy "Mary Did You Know."
Although I am 51, I only started appreciating musical lyrics in the last five years or so. In the past it was all about the instrumentation to me, with the human voice merely one o the instruments, which is why Genesis was my all time favorite band.
But now I really appreciate songs like "Mother" by Pink Floyd, and the Switchfoot songs we do in the prisons.
In music, what usually moves me emotionally is powerful chord progressions and arangements. But when coupled with powerful lyrics, it can be awe inspiring indeed, as I have only recently discovered.
On a side note, I also find it mind bogglingly distracting when I am in a church and we bow our heads to collectively pray, and someone starts playing chord progressions on a piano or guitar. I don't think it is immoral or a sin or anything, it is just danged distracting. My prayer stops and I watch them play until everyone else is done praying.
Yes, I too have my own fits of judgementalism regarding what I sometimes interpret as "false" piety. And I roll my eyes when I see a "fish" on a business card or company vehicle.
I think I am wrong, but wadayagonnado?
>>The NT says to "making melody in our hearts to God..."<<
My heart makes no sound unless you put your ear to my chest. On the other hand, I can express that melody through instruments such as a guitar, a trombone or, my favorite instrument, my voice.
Our body is a tool and it was designed by our maker to be a maker of tools to amplify our impact on our environment. I love a cappella to a point myself though. I can't listen to a cappella for long though. It's like cake with no frosting; Hot apple pie without ice cream; Wheaties without milk.
>>You are seriously telling me that the Sabbath day is not set apart...<<
I believe he is quoting NT scripture.
BTW, the word I use for Sabbath (which means "rest") is "Jesus," for Jesus IS my Sabbath, my "rest."
On the other hand, I worship Him EVERY DAY (when I am at my best).
No, I am a Christian that recognizes all of Scripture is inspired of God, not just the NT.
Granted. We need to be on guard against that, and we all can fall into that trap.
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