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To: Tares; ktupper
Salvation is more than a get out of hell free card and I think you are just being contrary.

You agree that more than getting out of hell occurs with Salvation.

You have stated that "The examining criteria is "Is Jesus Christ in me?""

So you have agreed that it is more than getting out of hell, more happens than avoiding hells fire.
147 posted on 12/08/2004 10:46:07 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (We want hard, tough, seasoned leaders who will methodically destroy the people who would kill us.)
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To: CyberCowboy777; ktupper
Salvation is more than a get out of hell free card and I think you are just being contrary.

Phrases such as "Obedience is not an option, it is a requirement..." post 54 and "Discipleship is not optional" post 138 give the impression that these things are required for salvation. They are not. Salvation is free. The believer gets out of hell free---free of any requirement whatsoever upon the person saved to either become saved or maintain that salvation.

So you have agreed that it is more than getting out of hell, more happens than avoiding hells fire.

Yes. But saying those additional things are required, or that they are not an option, is confusing. Obedience is a fruit of salvation. If you say it is not an option, or it is a requirement, the next question becomes "How much obedience is required before I can be sure that I'm saved?". That is dangerous and not conductive to Christian living. It takes the focus off of Christ and His work and places it instead upon the believer and his work, a losing proposition every time.

I don't wish to be contrary. Easy-believism and make-believism are horrible plagues. Here is a link for your consideration: What Is Saving Faith?. Thanks for the discussion.

152 posted on 12/08/2004 11:59:06 AM PST by Tares
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