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Low-Downs On Pat-Downs (The Point)
News Central ^ | 12/05/2004 | Mark Hyman

Posted on 12/06/2004 2:52:00 PM PST by Angry Republican

Helen Chenoweth-Hage had a simple request. The former Idaho Congressman had been pulled aside at the Boise Airport for secondary screening to include a physical pat-down. Chenoweth-Hage had sailed through the metal detector without problem, but TSA officials wanted to scrutinize her some more.

The former Congressman simply asked to see the regulations that permitted TSA officials to pat her down. They refused. And she refused to allow them to pat her down. So they booted her off her flight.

Incidents like this have happened so many times that it is beyond absurd. The regulations of TSA, which should stand for "Thousands Standing Around," are cloaked in secrecy. In this case, a 66-year old former Member of Congress is told to submit to further scrutiny for reasons of political correctness and to inflate inspection numbers.

According to aviation industry sources, the TSA intentionally targets individuals for further scrutiny not because they pose a threat, but because their profiles fit those the least likely to complain. Groups getting extra scrutiny include government employees and the military. Other national security threats reportedly requiring further scrutiny in the past include former Vice President Al Gore and longtime Congressman John Dingell.

The two-part problem is this. First, inspecting people who clearly do not pose a threat distracts attention from those who could pose a threat. Second, the notion that TSA can subject the public to regulations that are not made public is ludicrous. It's like citing a motorist for speeding with the speed limit signs all covered.

The Transportation Security Administration has not provided real and responsible security to our nation's airlines and airports. Playing hide and seek with the regulations and subjecting innocents to absurd inspections in the name of political correctness is simply a waste of time and money.

And that's the Point.

I'm Mark Hyman.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: airplanes; airportsecurity; politicallycorrect; tsa
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1 posted on 12/06/2004 2:52:00 PM PST by Angry Republican
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To: Angry Republican

"The former Congressman simply asked to see the regulations that permitted TSA officials to pat her down. They refused. And she refused to allow them to pat her down. So they booted her off her flight."

Nitwit.


2 posted on 12/06/2004 2:55:11 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: Max Combined
Nitwit.

How so?

3 posted on 12/06/2004 2:56:49 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Max Combined

nitwit x 2


4 posted on 12/06/2004 2:58:24 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Max Combined

I agree. Norman Mineta IS a nitwit!!


5 posted on 12/06/2004 3:01:56 PM PST by DLfromthedesert ("Don't be an economic girlie-man" Ah-nuld)
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To: Angry Republican
"First, inspecting people who clearly do not pose a threat distracts attention from those who could pose a threat."

Everyone potentially poses a danger. The terrorists are sneaky. I remember that a Palestinian terrorist gave his Irish girl friend a bomb to take on an El Al fight. It was a good thing that El Al checked that Irish lass or that plane would have been blown up.
6 posted on 12/06/2004 3:02:04 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: Angry Republican

She was a fantastic Congresswoman. Her question about the TSA's legal authority is a valid one.


7 posted on 12/06/2004 3:03:05 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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To: Max Combined

Security only works if it's applied to EVERYONE equally. Probably left out of that article is the quote where she told the TSA people, "Do you know who I am?"


8 posted on 12/06/2004 3:03:14 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Angry Republican
"According to aviation industry sources"

Care to name any of these so called sources?
9 posted on 12/06/2004 3:04:22 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: Max Combined
Everyone potentially poses a danger. The terrorists are sneaky. I remember that a Palestinian terrorist gave his Irish girl friend a bomb to take on an El Al fight. It was a good thing that El Al checked that Irish lass or that plane would have been blown up.

???

Does El Al normally not check Irish lasses?

I thought El Al had the tightest security in the world. Is this incorrect?

When did this incident take place? Links?

10 posted on 12/06/2004 3:06:00 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker
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"Vice President Al Gore and longtime Congressman John Dingell."

Considering the fact that both are anti-American nuts, I am happy to hear that they are subject to extra scrutiny.
11 posted on 12/06/2004 3:06:00 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Her question about the TSA's legal authority is a valid one.

I agree. Question authority at every opportunity. Otherwise, we are no different than peon zombies in some banana republic dictatorship.

12 posted on 12/06/2004 3:08:53 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Max Combined
It was a good thing that El Al checked that Irish lass or that plane would have been blown up.

And it's too bad we don't adopt the El Al methods here. When I flew home from Israel (after Dophinarium and before Sbaro bombings) they asked me a few questions and I was done. It was clear that the person asking the questions knew what he/she was looking for and I wasn't it. Our people here don't seem to have a clue what they are looking for and think that by pretending that they do, they will make us all feel better.

Security isn't about feeling better.

ML/NJ

13 posted on 12/06/2004 3:10:04 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
"Her question about the TSA's legal authority is a valid one."

She is a nitwit for demanding to see the regulations at the airport screening area. If she wants to research the law and the regulations flowing from the law, she can so it on the Internet or file a law suit, if she thinks the law is being violated.

She did not ask to see the regulations allowing the TSA to screen her, but decided she needed to see the regulations allowing the TSA to pat her down.

She shot her mouth off, slowing down the line and being a pain in the a$$, and was rightly kicked off the flight for being the nitwit she is.
14 posted on 12/06/2004 3:11:13 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Yes, I always appreciate people who question authority while I'm waiting in line behind them. Like the people at the supermarket who only reach for their money after the total comes up on the register as if they were holding out hope that the groceries were free.

If she wanted to question authority, she could have done it in a letter when she got off the plane.


15 posted on 12/06/2004 3:11:25 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
"She was a fantastic Congresswoman."

She always a little strange, like Ron Paul, but one could put up with her because she voted the right way most of the time.
16 posted on 12/06/2004 3:12:39 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: Angry Republican
requiring further scrutiny in the past include former Vice President Al Gore

Anyone whose job requires him to pat down Al Gore deserves every penny of his salary.

17 posted on 12/06/2004 3:15:24 PM PST by Uncle Fud
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

"Does El Al normally not check Irish lasses?"

That is the point, they check everyone.

"They point to an attempt in 1986 by a Jordanian to send his Irish girlfriend on to an El Al flight with a bomb concealed in her hand luggage without her knowledge.

The woman, Anne-Marie Murphy, was preparing to board an Israel-bound flight at London's Heathrow airport, when she was quizzed by a ticket agent trained to screen passengers.

Since the agent thought her story didn't add up, screeners re-examined her baggage, which an X-ray had cleared and found seven pounds of explosives in the lining."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2097352.stm

"In 1986, Nezar Hindawi, a Jordanian national then residing in Britain, told his pregnant Irish girlfriend to fly to Israel from London and that he would meet her there via Jordan. Before she boarded the El Al jumbo jet in London, it was discovered by airport security that the false bottom of her hand luggage concealed a bomb powerful enough to blow the jumbo jet out of the sky. She told authorities that the hand luggage was a gift from her fiancé Nezar Hindawi and that she could not believe that he would knowingly endanger her or his own unborn child. When Hindawi was arrested he revealed that he was a paid agent for Syria and claimed that he had been specifically instructed by Syria to romance and then impregnate a naive woman who could be utilized as a completely unwitting human bomb and thereby more likely avoid detection by airport security (who then operated according to standardized terrorist profiles). So convincing was the evidence of Syria's hand behind this attempt to obliterate a civilian passenger plane that Britain suspended diplomatic relations with Syria for a number of years thereafter."

http://www.rosenblit.com/ADC_letter.htm

Learn to use Google.


18 posted on 12/06/2004 3:18:17 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
I liked her. She was one of the few who actually kept her term limit promise.

IIRC, the feds put her husband through hell over a property dispute.

It seems the federal government doesn't like people who think the government should actually follow the Constitution.

19 posted on 12/06/2004 3:19:12 PM PST by NEPA
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"Question authority at every opportunity."

And miss your flight for no good reason.
20 posted on 12/06/2004 3:19:32 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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