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To: sitetest

Thus, from your perspective, "good" Catholics, as defined as Catholics who actually believe and obey what the Catholic Church teaches and binds, are damned. Or at least as long as they remain good Catholics.

Let me clarify this I would regard anyone that tells anyone that they would have to be a Catholic and only be a Catholic to be a Christian to be a heretic. To take that position would be a rejection of Biblical Christianity. Anyone who would call them selves a Christian would encourage anyone to receive Jesus Christ as their savior, repent of their sins, and go to ANY good Bible believing Church no matter what sect they are in.



Not really I believe that Catholics no matter imperfect they are to Biblical Christianity once they have become born again are put into Christ's Body. You must be baptized with water and you must the be baptized with Holy Spirit. Because Catholicism contains only parts of the Truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ too. Remember only God's Word and only God's Word is infallible. If Catholic teaching or the teaching of any denomination goes against Scripture it is to be refuted and ignored. Let's talk about the subject of priest being able to marry. There is the biggest piece of Non-Biblical nonsense I have ever seen and it is a false doctrine which is destroying the Catholic Church. If you want argue this I will only listen to or accept arguements that are based upon passages in the Bible. No doctrinal position or anything made up by man will be listened too. I can back this up with Scripture from many books.


385 posted on 12/08/2004 1:00:45 PM PST by DarthVader
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To: DarthVader

Dear DarthVader,

"Let me clarify this I would regard anyone that tells anyone that they would have to be a Catholic and only be a Catholic to be a Christian to be a heretic."

Well, I think I sort of said the obverse of this: that anyone who is baptized a Christian is a member of the Catholic Church, even if imperfectly so.

"Not really I believe that Catholics no matter imperfect they are to Biblical Christianity once they have become born again are put into Christ's Body."

Everyone who is validly baptized is "born again"(or "born from above"). That is whether one is baptized in the Catholic Church or baptized by the local preacher down by the river.

You seem to be negating the sacramental effect of baptism.

That is another point that differentiates you from Catholics.

"Because Catholicism contains only parts of the Truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ too."

Well, here again, you depart from what knowledgeable, good Catholics believe, as we certainly believe that the Catholic Church contains the entire Deposit of Faith, the fullness of truth of Jesus Christ.

"Let's talk about the subject of priest being able to marry. There is the biggest piece of Non-Biblical nonsense I have ever seen and it is a false doctrine which is destroying the Catholic Church."

That's nice.

Except for one point.

It isn't a doctrine.

It's a discipline.

And it's not even a discipline applicable to the entire Catholic Church, or even imposed without exception in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church. So, we probably should skip that one in that, it not actually being a doctrine, even if you were to prove it is not biblical, that would leave you with very little at all.

"If you want argue this I will only listen to or accept arguements that are based upon passages in the Bible."

Well, I have said repeatedly, no, I don't really want to argue this. You said you're a Catholic.

We started this conversation because of some comments I made about Purgatory. You don't believe in Purgatory, even though you think you're a Catholic.

I'm only pointing out that you don't believe the things required of Catholics. After that, you're pretty much projecting your own issues onto my postings.

As to using the passages of the Bible, well, that's a whole 'nother can of worms! ;-)

First, Catholic that you profess to be, do you accept the Catholic Bible or the Protestant Bible?

But, don't worry, you don't have to answer that. Because I don't really want to have a big debate, anyway. Even though you call yourself a Catholic, there are two things in you that I don't see: Catholic Faith; or even a basic understanding of Catholic Faith.

That is my only point.


sitetest


387 posted on 12/08/2004 1:17:39 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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