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Dear DarthVader,

"Let me clarify this I would regard anyone that tells anyone that they would have to be a Catholic and only be a Catholic to be a Christian to be a heretic."

Well, I think I sort of said the obverse of this: that anyone who is baptized a Christian is a member of the Catholic Church, even if imperfectly so.

"Not really I believe that Catholics no matter imperfect they are to Biblical Christianity once they have become born again are put into Christ's Body."

Everyone who is validly baptized is "born again"(or "born from above"). That is whether one is baptized in the Catholic Church or baptized by the local preacher down by the river.

You seem to be negating the sacramental effect of baptism.

That is another point that differentiates you from Catholics.

"Because Catholicism contains only parts of the Truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ too."

Well, here again, you depart from what knowledgeable, good Catholics believe, as we certainly believe that the Catholic Church contains the entire Deposit of Faith, the fullness of truth of Jesus Christ.

"Let's talk about the subject of priest being able to marry. There is the biggest piece of Non-Biblical nonsense I have ever seen and it is a false doctrine which is destroying the Catholic Church."

That's nice.

Except for one point.

It isn't a doctrine.

It's a discipline.

And it's not even a discipline applicable to the entire Catholic Church, or even imposed without exception in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church. So, we probably should skip that one in that, it not actually being a doctrine, even if you were to prove it is not biblical, that would leave you with very little at all.

"If you want argue this I will only listen to or accept arguements that are based upon passages in the Bible."

Well, I have said repeatedly, no, I don't really want to argue this. You said you're a Catholic.

We started this conversation because of some comments I made about Purgatory. You don't believe in Purgatory, even though you think you're a Catholic.

I'm only pointing out that you don't believe the things required of Catholics. After that, you're pretty much projecting your own issues onto my postings.

As to using the passages of the Bible, well, that's a whole 'nother can of worms! ;-)

First, Catholic that you profess to be, do you accept the Catholic Bible or the Protestant Bible?

But, don't worry, you don't have to answer that. Because I don't really want to have a big debate, anyway. Even though you call yourself a Catholic, there are two things in you that I don't see: Catholic Faith; or even a basic understanding of Catholic Faith.

That is my only point.

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Well, I think I sort of said the obverse of this: that anyone who is baptized a Christian is a member of the Catholic Church, even if imperfectly so.

I believe you are wrong and that is a false teaching inherent to Biblical Christianity and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Being a member of the Roman Catholic Church has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Everyone who is validly baptized is "born again"(or "born from above"). That is whether one is baptized in the Catholic Church or baptized by the local preacher down by the river.

You seem to be negating the sacramental effect of baptism.

That is another point that differentiates you from Catholics."

I believe as you do on this point. But you must also be serious about this when you do it. You negate the sacramental or spiritual effect if your heart is not right before God.

"Well, here again, you depart from what knowledgeable, good Catholics believe, as we certainly believe that the Catholic Church contains the entire Deposit of Faith, the fullness of truth of Jesus Christ."

The Catholic Church used to have the entire Deposit of Faith. It is a far cry of what it used to be. A lot of it was lost due to infestation of liberalism and secular humanism that unfortunately has afflicted some of our Catholic brethren. However it is coming back through evangelical revival and the Charismatic renewal.

"We started this conversation because of some comments I made about Purgatory. You don't believe in Purgatory, even though you think you're a Catholic."

I am a Christian before I am a Catholic and every Christian who is in good standing with Jesus Christ if he/she is mature about should be able to acknowledge this no matter what sect they are in. There is NO I REPEAT NO Scriptural reference to Purgatory. NOWHERE! NADA! If you cannot find it in the Scriptures it does not exist and there is no basis of truth whatsoever. Any doctrine or dogma that is not based upon the Scriptures is a false teaching and a lie. The Catholic Church should renounce this teaching or it will face judgement from God.

"It isn't a doctrine.

It's a discipline. "

Well in spite of that it is still killing the Catholic Church. A Catholic friend of mine from Michigan told me that
69 out of 100 plus churches in Detroit have shut down because they don't have the priests to staff them. I have friends who are priests too and they say it is really putting a hurt on their numbers. Old priests are dying out and the influx of new one 's is not as high. It is the old law of supply and demand.

"First, Catholic that you profess to be, do you accept the Catholic Bible or the Protestant Bible?"

Both, the Catholic Bible has some interesting books that should be universally accepted as the generic Holy Scriptures.

"But, don't worry, you don't have to answer that. Because I don't really want to have a big debate, anyway. Even though you call yourself a Catholic, there are two things in you that I don't see: Catholic Faith; or even a basic understanding of Catholic Faith."

I am glad to hear you say that:-)It shows me that God has set me free from some of the poverty of weak and ineffective doctrines of men. I am a Christian and a person of God first. Catholiscm is the faith of my European forefathers and it served them well. But today my simple Bibically based faith is extremely powerful and has the raw primitive power of God in it. He has shown me enough of the truth that I can do away with certain things as Paul did. I trust God implicitly and do my absolute best to obey Him and that has to do with my personal relationship with Him. When we die God is not gonna be too concerned about how well you followed Catholic Church doctrine and how much you know about it. He is gonna judge us on how many people we help in this life, how many people we bring to Jesus Christ, how well we use our gifts and talents to edify and raise up the body of Christ and advance His kingdom on earth. When you meditate, think and act on doing these things Catholic doctine is just not that important to the big scheme of the kingdom of God.