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To: DarthVader

Dear DarthVader,

"If you believe that being a Catholic and that only being Catholic is the main or only requirement to being saved,..."

Well, that isn't quite what I said. What I DID say was that in being baptized validly, everyone becomes a member, even if imperfectly, of the Catholic Church. That includes even Protestants!

And the Catholic Church does teach that generally baptism is required for salvation.

"and that Catholicism is the only way to Christ then yes I will regard you as unsaved, disobedient to the Bible, and also a heretic to Christianity."

I'm not sure I said that, either. I think that there are plenty of denominations of Christianity. And the Catholic Church recognizes that these denominations contain parts of the Truth of Jesus Christ. Thus, these denominations can certainly lead to the Jesus, and greater embrace of the Body of Christ, which subsists in the Catholic Church.

However, I will note that you mark as unsaved those who adhere to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, albeit that your view of that Magisterium isn't quite accurate.

Thus, from your perspective, "good" Catholics, as defined as Catholics who actually believe and obey what the Catholic Church teaches and binds, are damned. Or at least as long as they remain good Catholics.

That's sort of interesting. ;-)


sitetest


383 posted on 12/08/2004 12:38:20 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest; DarthVader
Thus, from your perspective, "good" Catholics, as defined as Catholics who actually believe and obey what the Catholic Church teaches and binds, are damned. Or at least as long as they remain good Catholics.

It certainly leads one to wonder why one would hang out with a bunch of people who were following a damned, heretical form of Christianity!

What kind of witness is that? Don't you fear that your presence in your Catholic parish is sending the wrong kind of message about what the Church teaches and how aceptable it is?

SD

384 posted on 12/08/2004 12:52:10 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: sitetest

Thus, from your perspective, "good" Catholics, as defined as Catholics who actually believe and obey what the Catholic Church teaches and binds, are damned. Or at least as long as they remain good Catholics.

Let me clarify this I would regard anyone that tells anyone that they would have to be a Catholic and only be a Catholic to be a Christian to be a heretic. To take that position would be a rejection of Biblical Christianity. Anyone who would call them selves a Christian would encourage anyone to receive Jesus Christ as their savior, repent of their sins, and go to ANY good Bible believing Church no matter what sect they are in.



Not really I believe that Catholics no matter imperfect they are to Biblical Christianity once they have become born again are put into Christ's Body. You must be baptized with water and you must the be baptized with Holy Spirit. Because Catholicism contains only parts of the Truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ too. Remember only God's Word and only God's Word is infallible. If Catholic teaching or the teaching of any denomination goes against Scripture it is to be refuted and ignored. Let's talk about the subject of priest being able to marry. There is the biggest piece of Non-Biblical nonsense I have ever seen and it is a false doctrine which is destroying the Catholic Church. If you want argue this I will only listen to or accept arguements that are based upon passages in the Bible. No doctrinal position or anything made up by man will be listened too. I can back this up with Scripture from many books.


385 posted on 12/08/2004 1:00:45 PM PST by DarthVader
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