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Battle lines drawn on protection of species
Seattle Times ^ | Dec 5, 2004 | Julie Cart and Kenneth R. Weiss

Posted on 12/05/2004 6:28:50 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Western governors gathered last week to plan with the Bush administration and Congress how to change the Endangered Species Act, the 31-year-old law they say has cost developers, loggers and ranchers too much money and hassle for the few animals brought back from the brink of extinction.

"Just about everybody agrees the Endangered Species Act is broken," said Rep. Richard Pombo, R-Calif., a cattleman turned chairman of the House Resources Committee. "The only way you are going fix it is with legislative change."

Pombo and Assistant Interior Secretary Craig Manson buoyed spirits at a meeting in a San Diego suburb Friday with the announcement that federal biologists have determined the sage grouse, a bird whose sagebrush territory sits atop oil and gas fields in 11 states, including Washington, is not threatened with extinction and does not need federal protection as an endangered species. The bird's numbers have plunged as agricultural and industrial development have intruded on nesting and breeding areas.

Manson, who oversees the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, which enforces the Endangered Species Act, has said the federal government should temper efforts to protect threatened wildlife.

"We have to recognize that, A, we can't protect everything, and B, we have to carefully examine whether we should try to protect everything, and at what cost," Manson said last year.

Battle lines over the Endangered Species Act appear to be forming around two issues. One is critical habitat — the protected area thought to be key to a species' survival and recovery.

The other is at what point a small, distinct population of a species warrants listing for federal protection, if the larger population appears to be healthy.

Federal officials and the 12 Republican governors who dominate the 18-member Western Governors' Association suggested that states can take a greater role in protecting rare species, and don't need the entanglements that come with the act.

"The act has become something other than recovering species," Pombo said. "It's become a tool to stop growth, to stop mining, to stop logging. To stop a freeway from being built. It's become a tool that people are using to accomplish other goals."

Pombo said the re-election of President Bush, and the added numbers of Republicans in Congress, suggested voters are behind the agenda for change.

Conservation groups suggest these are part of an orchestrated assault on the law, which began with lawsuits from industry and property-rights groups and a series of rule changes by the Bush administration.

Last week, for instance, the administration proposed a dramatic rollback of its designated "critical habitat" for 20 species of threatened or endangered salmon and steelhead trout from Southern California to Washington state.

The changes, initiated by a lawsuit from homebuilders, have been championed within the administration by Mark Rutzick, a former timber-industry lawyer who last year was appointed legal adviser to the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration.

The other point of contention, critical habitat, has prompted complaints for years from property owners.

After repeated challenges, the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in 2001 that the Fish and Wildlife Service should consider the economic effects of habitat designation. That decision gave critics a foothold into tempering the act's requirements.

Meanwhile, the Department of Interior has designated less than half of the acreage that federal biologists say is needed.

Manson has been crisscrossing the country arguing that critical habitat affords no extra protection for a listed species.

Conservationists say his speeches ignore the Fish and Wildlife Service's statistics, which show endangered species with critical-habitat designation are twice as likely to increase their numbers as species without.


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1 posted on 12/05/2004 6:28:51 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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Scientifically speaking I guess it is sad that the dinosaurs died out.

Still though we are doing pretty well without them.

2 posted on 12/05/2004 6:33:19 PM PST by carlr
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3 posted on 12/05/2004 6:34:42 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

It's about time! Let's get this done before 2006 while we have the mojo.


4 posted on 12/05/2004 6:40:09 PM PST by soycd
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Don't suppose anyone's thinking of including Dems in the category...


5 posted on 12/05/2004 6:40:34 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (Stop Hillary - PEGGY NOONAN '08)
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To: carlr
I haven't missed the passenger pigeon, either.
6 posted on 12/05/2004 6:41:13 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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***Scientifically speaking I guess it is sad that the dinosaurs died out.

Still though we are doing pretty well without them.***

Yeah, I used to hate it when they looked into my third-floor bedroom window.


7 posted on 12/05/2004 6:41:24 PM PST by kitkat
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What do you think killed them off...???


8 posted on 12/05/2004 6:42:14 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (Stop Hillary - PEGGY NOONAN '08)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"There's only one way to save endangered species from extinction. Eat them!"--Rush Limbaugh

9 posted on 12/05/2004 6:44:23 PM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
If the endangered species are that important, put them in a zoo or a wildlife park.

Environmentalists had a point to make sometime in the past, but their "movement" was taken over by--or, more likely, was always a movement of--silly, smug, irresponsible, self-righteous, basically sadistic, careless petty tyrants who managed to get more authority than they deserved or could handle without becoming ruthless bullies.

Here's a good rule of thumb: If the "environmentalists" are for it, oppose it. If they're against it, support it.

10 posted on 12/05/2004 6:45:09 PM PST by Savage Beast (The only thing that can save the Democrat Party is Truth--the very thing that will destroy it.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Ohhhhhh, you rotter, you. And here I am a natural blonde. (Clairol #10, Seashell)


11 posted on 12/05/2004 6:47:13 PM PST by kitkat
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If they find a dinosaur in ANWAR it's all over.

Ruffed Grouse kabobs mmmmmmmmmmm.


12 posted on 12/05/2004 6:47:46 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
That's easy. It's Bushes fault.

L

13 posted on 12/05/2004 6:49:26 PM PST by Lurker (No, I don't really serve satan. Doesn't anyone recognize sarcasm anymore?)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
how to change the Endangered Species Act, the 31-year-old law they say has cost developers, loggers and ranchers too much money and hassle for the few animals brought back from the brink of extinction.

Julie Cart and Kenneth R. Weiss sure seem to have the Bugs and Bunny "buttons" language: mean capitalists and people who earn money. The only real humanitarians are the leeches who exist off their betters.

Well, they lie by omission. They parrot presumed benefits and never go near the costs. $20,000 per mouse? Are we compelled to stop natural processes, yes, including extinction by throwing money at it?

Just ask them, just for grins, how much they think we have thrown down the environmental bottomless pit since 1972.

$3 trillion? Five? Ten? Every cent adding to the national debt and taking away from the proper role of government: performing those necessary national tasks that we can't do individually. Let the slackers define "necessary" and they will vote themselves jobs under the guise of "environmental superiority".

Time to stop that gravy train!

14 posted on 12/05/2004 6:52:20 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"The act has become something other than recovering species. It's become a tool to stop growth, to stop mining, to stop logging. To stop a freeway from being built. It's become a tool that people are using to accomplish other goals."
Yes, like empowering a bunch of bullies who otherwise would be pushing mops and slinging fries.
15 posted on 12/05/2004 6:53:15 PM PST by Savage Beast (The only thing that can save the Democrat Party is Truth--the very thing that will destroy it.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
What do you think killed them off...???

Fred Flintsone's SUV...

16 posted on 12/05/2004 6:53:18 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"The act has become something other than recovering species," Pombo said. "It's become a tool to stop growth, to stop mining, to stop logging. To stop a freeway from being built. It's become a tool that people are using to accomplish other goals."

James Madison to Joseph C. Cabell

13 Feb. 1829Letters 4:14--15

For a like reason, I made no reference to the "power to regulate commerce among the several States." I always foresaw that difficulties might be started in relation to that power which could not be fully explained without recurring to views of it, which, however just, might give birth to specious though unsound objections. Being in the same terms with the power over foreign commerce, the same extent, if taken literally, would belong to it. Yet it is very certain that it grew out of the abuse of the power by the importing States in taxing the non-importing, and was intended as a negative and preventive provision against injustice among the States themselves, rather than as a power to be used for the positive purposes of the General Government, in which alone, however, the remedial power could be lodged.

17 posted on 12/05/2004 6:57:43 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; Carry_Okie; farmfriend; AuntB; SierraWasp
And the rest of the usual suspects...

Thoughts on a possible turnaround, ping?
18 posted on 12/05/2004 7:48:14 PM PST by Issaquahking ( Bush won, PROTECT OUR BORDER'S- NOW! We'll handle the PC and the ACLU losers.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; Carry_Okie; farmfriend; AuntB; SierraWasp
And the rest of the usual suspects...

Thoughts on a possible turnaround, ping?
19 posted on 12/05/2004 7:48:55 PM PST by Issaquahking ( Bush won, PROTECT OUR BORDER'S- NOW! We'll handle the PC and the ACLU losers.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
20 posted on 12/05/2004 10:49:23 PM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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