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1 posted on 12/05/2004 6:31:33 AM PST by rdb3
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Interesting take. Of course, the root cause of the problem is "blue state philosophy", as usual.


2 posted on 12/05/2004 6:42:21 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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It's actually a pretty good article. I listen to the new rock bands listed and I never really knew there was such a common denominator.


7 posted on 12/05/2004 7:14:00 AM PST by somemoreequalthanothers
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What is it about today’s music, violent and disgusting though it may be, that resonates with so many American kids?

Often it doesn't. My older Grandaughters started listening to Christian rock music as an alternative to MTV and hip-hop. They were tired of feeling opressed by the music and lyrics. I just smiled (Thank You, Jesus!).

10 posted on 12/05/2004 7:28:05 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (I'm from North Dakota and I'm all FOR Global Warming! Bring it ON!)
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Song: Thangs Change
Artist: Too $hort

[Short Dawg]
You say how can I make these dirty raps
Number one albums, back to back
If it was 1950, do you think I sell, no
They probably throw me straight to jail
I tell you life just ain't what it used to be
Between you and me, exclusively
Everybody's changed, were losing our minds
The government won't help, cause they refuse to find
A solution to the problems of the inner streets
Its a shame what our kids are beginning to be
Pregnant teenagers, young gun slangers
There ain't no love, there ain't nothin but anger
We don't go to church and can't pray in school
Listen real close to what I'm sayin fool
I know kids who went to school together
Now they all grown up, tryin to kill each other
Shootouts on the playground is where it goes down
But back in the day, we rode the merry-go-round
And some little kid might shoot me tonight
And I always used to wonder what the future be like
Curse words on the tv and radio
You wanna see sex, turn it on HBO
Late at night, you see women freak women
Sex sells, that's why I keep pimpin
I grew up in the 70s', somethin like Crooklyn
But I was in Cali not Brooklyn
I could tell the whole world was going crazy
But it really didn't happen til the 80s'
With freebasin and smokin crack
A lotta people learned not to joke with that
Streets flooded, with homeless folks
Whole families, lives gone up in smoke
We're all related to a crackhead
Sometimes I wake up in the mornin and wanna go back to bed
Layin these thinkin bout things
About the way life change
How women used to like to wear decent clothes
Now they curse like men and dress like hoes
You supposed to be a virgin til you marry
But teenage girls find it normal to carry a baby
Babies havin babies
Rappers like me always disrespectin ladies
Wonder why its like that, well so do I
But I just turn my back and then I go get high
Cause I get paid real good to talk bad about a bitch
And you bought it, so don't be mad I got rich
Ask your grandparents, is life the same
Man thangs change
Chorus

11 posted on 12/05/2004 7:39:43 AM PST by Smogger
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Very interesting article.. thanks for posting!

The damage inflicted upon this generation by 50% divorce rates and absent fathers is going to be catastrophic and I dont think we have seen the worst yet.


15 posted on 12/05/2004 7:47:26 AM PST by somniferum
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Fascinating article. The difficulty is that it posits no way for society to break free of the vicious cycle going on here. Strict parents in the 50s bred children who rebelled by totally indulging their every whim regardless of the cost to others. This generation in turn created a bitter one with children who felt deprived of any kind of childhood in the classical sense. Yet, like their parents, it seems the rap generation is determined to live their ideal childhoods in adulthood while inflicting the same pain on their children that they rage about in their music. I have seen no indication that rappers and others want to become responsible adults themselves.

The baby boomers wanted a society where everything was okay and guilt was non-existent. To that end, they created myths to perpetuate their "right" to live their lifestyles without guilt--i.e., abortion hurts no one, divorce is constructive, indulgence is love, and neglect is empowering. What I see now is that the next generation is truly lacking in guilt or a sense of responsibility for their own actions. The baby boomers had to lie constantly to avoid guilt. The new generation thinks it is entitled to hate their parents and neglect their own children and have no problems, apparently, with guilt (except maybe in the incoherent way that suicide seems to indicate).

So how do we break out of the cycle? I don't think anything less than a major cultural revolution will do it. We need to do everything we can to give our children and our children's children genuine childhoods during their childhood years so they won't spend the rest of their lives seeking the lost childhood. This would involve some major discussions of what exactly is a childhood? Is it strict discipline? Is it some indulgence, some discipline? Is it parents there for the kids regardless of how strong the marriage, in other words, the dreaded "staying together for the kids"? Is it stopping the tendency of parents to "educate" their kids by laying on them adult worries such as financial stresses, strained marriages and so forth? Is it stopping the sexualization of children? There are so many factors in how childhood has been robbed and perverted that it is a daunting task to even begin.

This article touches on a lot of it and yet it is a big step beyond to try to stop the pain from perpetuating itself through the generations, esecially when it means facing the painful answers that may affect our own self-indulgence. May we have the courage to do so.


19 posted on 12/05/2004 8:07:59 AM PST by caseinpoint
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BTTT


28 posted on 12/05/2004 8:41:05 AM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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Interesting article. Since most of these "artists" writing these songs are now adults, it just goes to show that the pain of parental divorce is something the kids have to live with for the rest of their lives. It's too bad parents don't think of that first. I know that pain, and there are a lot of us who are now married who will do whatever it takes to avoid repeating the cycle.


29 posted on 12/05/2004 8:42:32 AM PST by ncdrumr
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Enema-M isn't "right." He's just made money off bringing up the darker side of life. It parents' responsibility to make sure kids don't have to hear or see cretins like him. But, we sure don't get a lot of help from the media, who make his brand of garbage ubiquitous.

All we can do is be vigilant. But, until kids think it's cool to be moral and upstanding, it's an uphill battle indeed.

31 posted on 12/05/2004 9:00:16 AM PST by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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whining brats seeking reason to keep from getting a grip alert.


32 posted on 12/05/2004 9:05:20 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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...offering up a silent prayer of thanks for my parents, and theirs.

Good post.


36 posted on 12/05/2004 9:57:15 AM PST by lodwick (The 2nd Amendment is Our Reset Button on Governments.)
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As others, I read the whole article. I'm exposed to the music, and the teenagers. I have concerns for my son (who just turned 9), because his mother is no longer around. She died when he was four, though by now we probably would have been divorced. I know it is, and will continue to be, hard for him to separate death from abandonment. I know he misses her, whether it was voluntary or not.

My parents were born in the 1920's, and are still together, me being a late addition. My childhood rocked, and I only wish my son could have what I did. I do my best, and I hope that is what will make the difference.


37 posted on 12/05/2004 4:25:42 PM PST by surtcaldera (Adding to the vastness of the rightwing conspiracy, one post at a time)
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In Pink’s especially mournful (and perhaps best-known) song, “Family Portrait,” the narrator repeatedly begs her father not to leave...

Pink is a talented singer. I heard her sing that song on Letterman or Leno, and it's a powerful, heartbreaking song. Maybe I'm a bit more sensitive to it all since I, and my children, went through a divorce.

Libs aren't the only ones who have family problems and/or get divorced. There are some thought-provoking items in this article for every parent.

44 posted on 12/08/2004 8:24:28 AM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what yHello, I'm a TAGLINE vir)
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Hey, Good Charlotte's song is fantastic:

I'm sitting here,
I'm thinking back to a time when I was young,
My memory is clear as day,
I'm listening to the dishes clink,
You were downstairs,
you would sing songs of praise,
And all the times we laughed with you,
And all the times that you stayed true to us,
Now we say,
I said,
I thank you,
I'll always thank you,
More than you could know,
Than I could ever show,
And I love you,
I'll always love you,
There's nothing I won't do to say these words to you,
That you're beautiful forever,
you were my mom,
you were my dad,
The only thing I ever had was you,
It's true,
And even when the times got hard you were there,
To let us know that we'd get through,
you showed me how to be a man,
You taught me how to understand the things people do,
You showed me how to love my God,
You taught me that not everyone knows the truth,
And I thank you,
I'll always thank you,
More than you could know,
Than I could ever show,
And I love you,
I'll always love you,
There's nothing I won't do to say these words to you,
That you will live forever,
always

45 posted on 12/08/2004 8:31:27 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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Bump in hopes of an executive summary in there somewhere.


46 posted on 12/08/2004 8:34:55 AM PST by asgardshill ("We march by day and read Xenophon by night.")
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Good article. Long article. I must admit to not reading every word, but it was insightful.


47 posted on 12/08/2004 8:43:45 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Harry Reid is an embarrasment to the Senate)
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To: rdb3

Interesting article. I can't say I like most of the bands involved, but it's pretty convincing to see the common theme running through all their music.


48 posted on 12/08/2004 8:46:40 AM PST by Polonius (It's called logic, it'll help you.)
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So singing about the worst things that can happen in life, terrible things you'd like to do to others is the RIGHT thing to do?

Baloney.

50 posted on 12/08/2004 8:52:55 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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I had no idea Tupac's lyrics were so sad. I've never listened to any of his songs, but lyrics like these are heart-rending:

Daddy's home...

[2Pac]
Heh, so??
You say that like that means somethin to me
You've been gone a mighty long ***** time
for you to be comin home talkin that "daddy's home" ****
We been gettin along fine just without you
Me, my brother, and my mother
So if you don't mind, you can step the **** off, POPS..
**** you!

Had to play catch by myself, what a sorry sight
A pitiful plight, so I pray for a starry night
Please send me a pops before puberty
How can I be a man if there's no role model?
Strivin to save my soul I stay cold drinkin a forty bottle
I'm so sorry...
Instead of takin care of me, he'd rather live lavishly
That's why I'll never be a father;
unless you got the time it's a crime don't even bother
(That's when I started hatin the phony smiles
Said I was an only child)
Look at mama's lonely smile
It's hard for a son to see his mother cry
51 posted on 12/08/2004 9:00:04 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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And there is ICP's family:

After I was done killin' all tha yuppie fucks
all tha poor kids would come n' swing from my nuts
and I would walk home feelin' like a Samurai
I'd walk in tha house, and see my momma cry
I's ask why, she'd point to my drunkin' pops
he tried ta hit her again, but that sh*t STOPS
I kick him in his throat, you hear his neck break
I throw a roundhose and knock his beard off his face
I tell him, "Dad, now look at all your broken glass,
why don'tcha pick it all-up n' stick it in yer *ss."
I watch him do it, "Now hurry up ya take fo'eva'."
when he was done I'd squeeze his butt-cheeks togetha'
"Now get tha F*CK out my house, neva' come back!"
I throw a chinese star, stick him in his *ss-crack (Ahhhh)
I turn to my mudda, "I'm sorry that he hit'cha!"
DAMN I wish I could be a ninja


53 posted on 12/08/2004 9:01:30 AM PST by Stew Padasso ("That boy is nuttier than a squirrel turd.")
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