The Islamization of Europe?

Commentary Mag ^ | 12/2/04 | David Pryce-Jones

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Only a few years ago, mass-murder attacks on the West in the name of Islam, like those of September 11, would have seemed like a thriller writer’s fantasy. Nor would anyone have imagined that a bombing by Islamists could swing a general election in a European country, that a Dutch movie-maker might be shot dead on the street for a film about the abuse of women in Islam, or that one might find oneself watching, on television, the beheading of Western hostages by men crying out Allahu Akhbar! over their savage deeds....

At present, it is not clear whether the religious/ideological rage that is the motive force behind these developments has any limits, whether it may yet succeed in mobilizing truly huge numbers of Muslim masses, or whether it can be deflected or crushed....

Does this crisis amount to a “clash of civilizations”? ...

Today’s situation has been a very long time—centuries—in the making. For much of that time, of course, the encounter between Muslims and the West remained stacked in favor of the latter, both militarily and culturally. Which is not to say that Europeans of an earlier age were blind to the danger posed to Western civilization by a resurgent Islam. One watchful observer was Winston Churchill, who wrote about Islam—or Mohammedanism as it was then called—in The River War (1899):

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science . . . the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

[ApesForEvolution]

We shall defeat these satanic Koraniacs were it to be the very last thing we do...and erase them from the earth.

[nosofar]

"I suspect that the Leftists see the Muslims as useful idiot allies in their war against the West but think that the Left will always be in control of the situation."


I think you hit the nail on the head. The Left are perfectly comfortable embracing fanatics as long as they are useful and they think there is no threat to their own power. When the recognition that radical Islam is in fact a grave threat to their own ideology finally hits home, things will change. It appears they are already changing, but overall they will probably try to hang onto an obsolete picture of reality until the roof caves in on them.

[Siamese Princess]

I think you hit the nail on the head. The Left are perfectly comfortable embracing fanatics as long as they are useful and they think there is no threat to their own power. When the recognition that radical Islam is in fact a grave threat to their own ideology finally hits home, things will change. It appears they are already changing, but overall they will probably try to hang onto an obsolete picture of reality until the roof caves in on them.

Frankenstein's monster comes to mind. Some European leftists realize the monster in their midst -- the late Theo Van Gogh was one.

[broadsword]

Aw, how mean you are to the sweet Religion of Bloodthirsty Peace!

[Goodgirlinred]

Which just goes to show that this nation needs to get back to its Christian roots. When I was in the eighth grade we read a Bible verse before class started every morning. We had a Jewish boy in our class and he always read from the Old Testament. There was no problem there. I believe that we must show respect for all religions, but whatever happened to the majority being able to express themselves? The minority may leave the room and have their own time of prayer or not if they are atheists. And, we should teach our daughters not to get involved with Muslim men. They should see the movie "Not Without My Daughter" and real life clips of the lives of Muslim women.

[Goodgirlinred]

Well, they can destroy a monument, but please, no more killing of innocent people. Enough of that has been done.
And guess who will have to go in and save the Franchises hides? You guessed it. The good old USA as always.

[Goodgirlinred]

If they need more immigrants, how about the Mexicans? They are Christian and willing to work. No problem with them. They just need to learn to speak English if they don't already. I say that we should shut the door to Islamic immigrants unless they have been thoroughly checked out and they are in danger of being killed because they are loyal to the United States.

[John Will]

France and Mexico both share Latin cuturle base.

[Goodgirlinred]

What does that mean? Sorry, I am not up to your standards yet. I am an R.N., not a political science major.

[Issaquahking]

I watched the short clip out of Van Gogh's movie for which he was killed. While the movie was probably a soft "R", it wasn't so much the flesh that would have bothered anyone, it was the way the mooslim man (men) treated their (possession intended, this is not a grammatical error) women. It was a great expose` of what the fundy's don't want anyone to know, was the way I read it. Anyone planning on doing an expose`, heads up and keep the heat close!

Not to sound like a radical, but the elephant is in everyone's country, and he knows he's been spotted. personal advice? Know your firearms. Take a tip from the Mormons about having a healthy supply of food stashed. Live life to it's fullest. The day that some goofs attack America with the intension of taking it, will make 9/11 look like child's play. Anything that faintly resembles Mideast (right, wrong, or indifferent) will probably be dead within a week. Then the games for finding the "others" will start. I'm not suggesting violence or anything, it's just a dark look at the future if we don't get control of what's attacking our underbelly currently.

[Fred Nerks]

Thanks for the ping. The population numbers for the US are most interesting, particularly the % of arabs who are mosque attendees. In Australia, we seem to have had few problems with the approx 300.000 muslim immigrants until the arab imams began to take over the mosques with Saudi money. It was their preaching which resulted in attacks on our young women (packrapes) and the hunting down of homosexuals whom they said should be killed 'by throwing off tall buildings'. (Must be in the koran somewhere?) A certain number, perhaps one hundred from an Indonesian background, departed quickly when their homes were searched and computers were taken. From the Australian experience, it would seem surveillance and intolerance works a treat! Thank God we have few PC laws here. The packrapists (brothers) received sentences of 50 years. Our newspapers are not constrained from identifying the perpetrators of crime as to their country of origin or religion. I believe it is absolutely essential that each citizen of a sovereign nation is able to speak out and make their opinion known. PC laws are a potential death sentence IMO.

[VOA]

I heard Pryce-Jones on The Dennis Prager Show the week before last.
He mentioned that in public schools in The Netherlands there is MANDATORY study
of the Koran, while the Holy Bible "ist verboten".

[VOA]

Not to sound like a radical, but the elephant is in everyone's country, and he
knows he's been spotted. personal advice? Know your firearms. Take a tip from the
Mormons about having a healthy supply of food stashed. Live life to it's fullest.
The day that some goofs attack America with the intension of taking it,
will make 9/11 look like child's play. Anything that faintly resembles Mideast
(right, wrong, or indifferent) will probably be dead within a week.

I suspect the figure will be more like 24-48 hours in my neighborhood.
In liberal West Los Angeles.

I say this as I ALMOST got into fisticuffs with a fellow who accosted a
Middle-Eastern-looking cashier at the local Ralphs grocery store on 9-12.

I hesitated as the guy verbally vented...and fortunately that was all
he did...but it was a tense moment as I would have defended the lady as she'd
always been a good and kindly sort.

[Fred Nerks]

"We need to define the enemy..."

From the Australian experience I am inclined to place the identity of the enemy straight into the arab camp, not into the muslim people who came from other idigenous sources, such as Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan, most of whom have lived here peacefully for generations, particularly the Afghans who brought their camels here a hundred years ago. (That's why we have 500.000 feral camels in the Centre btw.)
Our mooselimb problems seemed to commence with the spread of arab agitation in the mosques. Saudi arab money and wahabbe teachings are the poison IMO.

[weenie]

Hey Fred...will respond tomorrow...need to think (and with so many uncooperative brain cells...maybe dead cells, that is a slow process).

[Fred Nerks]

Thought provoking questions from you..."(on radical islamic fundamentalism)" I believe we must first of all concentrate on the source. To myself it appears the radical views all come from Saudi Arabia and the particular sect (wahabbe) that interprets the koran and hadith as the only way a muslim can be permitted to live. I am reminded of the statement a Jewish friend of mine often makes: NO ARABS-NO TERROR. I believe she is right.

[Fred Nerks]

"He mentioned that in public schools in The Netherlands there is MANDATORY study of the Koran, while the Holy Bible "ist verboten."

I am currently reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, written by William L. Shirer. Quotes....(snips)

'What the Hitler government envisioned for Germany was clearly set out in a thirty-point program for the "National Reich Church" drawn up during the war by Rosenberg, an outspoken pagan, who amongst his other offices held that of "the Fuehrer's Delegate for the Entire Intellectual and Philosophical Education and Instruction for the National Socialist Party." A few of its thirty articles convey the essentials:

13. The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany...

14. The National Church declares that to it, and therefore to the German nation, it has been decided that the Fuehrer's 'Mein Kampf' is the greatest of all documents. It not only contains the greatest but it embodies the purest and truest ethics for the present and future of our nation.

18. The National Church will clear away from its altars all crucifixes, Bibles and pictures of saints.

19. On the altars there must be nothing but 'Mein Kampf' (to the German nation and therefore to God the most sacred book) and to the left of the altar a sword.

30. On the day of its foundation, the Christian Cross must be removed from all churches, cathederals and chapels...and it must be superseded by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika.'

The Netherlands National Church, perhaps? A koran, a sword and for a symbol, the crescent.

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[Fred Nerks]

I am fully aware of the practise your photographs illustrate so graphically. Although utterly repugnant, our disapproval will not stamp out a custom. Frankly, what they do to their own bothers me NOT. That does not mean we would consider tolerating such behaviour in our society, does it? We do have laws against child abuse.