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Congress makes room for more foreigners for high tech-jobs
siliconvalley.com ^ | Nov. 22, 2004 | AP

Posted on 12/04/2004 5:13:56 AM PST by Drango

Posted on Mon, Nov. 22, 2004

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Congress makes room for more foreigners for high tech-jobs


Congress is letting employers hire another 20,000 foreign high-tech workers under a special visa program after businesses reached the annual ceiling on the first day of the government's fiscal year.

Businesses are limited to hiring no more than 65,000 workers annually through the H1-B visa program. They reached that figure in one day, Oct. 1, and immediately began complaining they would lose talented university graduates and potential employees to competitors overseas.

In response, as part of the $388 billion spending bill passed over the weekend and awaiting President Bush's signature, Congress is exempting from the limit 20,000 foreign students with masters and above degrees from U.S. universities.

``This is a critical talent pool that American taxpayers have helped to educate,'' said Sandra Boyd, who chairs the Compete America coalition that lobbied for the exemptions. ``It's counterproductive to educate these students and then force them abroad to compete against us.''

The coalition includes companies such as Microsoft, Texas Instruments, Hewlett Packard and Motorola.

For example, of the 424 students who earned master's degrees in engineering at the University of Texas at Austin last year, 228 were foreign students; of the 135 who earned doctorates in engineering, 81 were foreigners, Boyd said.

Dan Kane, a spokesman for the Homeland Security Department's Citizenship and Immigration Service, said the exemptions for foreign students will be applicable this year. Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, and Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., led the effort to include them in the spending bill.

Kane said his agency will release details on how employers can apply for visas made available after Bush signs the bill, he said.

The popular H1-B visas are granted to foreigners in specialty professions such as architecture, engineering, medicine, biotechnology and computer programming. Under the program, employers must pay foreign workers the prevailing wage for their job fields and show that qualified U.S. workers are not being passed over.

Unions and other critics say the program allows businesses to fill jobs with cheaper foreign labor. Those who use the program say they can't find enough Americans with the necessary math, science and engineering skills.

In addition, Congress doubled H1-B visa application fees from $1,000 to $2,000. Small businesses with fewer than 25 employees pay fees totaling $1,250 for each application. The legislation also expands the authority of the Department of Labor to investigate employers.

On a separate visa issue, Congress tightened rules for using L-1 visas, which allow companies to transfer employees from overseas offices to U.S. offices, while paying the employees their home country wages. Lawmakers had been suspicious that abuse in the program was putting Americans out of work.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News
KEYWORDS: aliens; clymers; h1b; immigrantlist
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This is OLD news. But there is a 50% chance my current high tech employer won't extend my contract for the New Year.

Wanted to vent. Screw you Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, and Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga. Any the horse you rode in on.

Screw you Microsoft, Texas Instruments, Hewlett Packard and Motorola. Screw you.

1 posted on 12/04/2004 5:13:57 AM PST by Drango
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To: Drango

The selling out of America's People, continues, unabated. A Civil War II is sorely needed to *correct* this crap.


2 posted on 12/04/2004 5:17:52 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Drango

So the way to fix this is to limit the number of foreigner who are coming in to our universities and getting taxpayer funds for their education...while our own children get NO help fiancially. When will the US taxpayer wake up and threaten some of our "conservative" Republican lawmakers, who grab their ankles for corporations every chance they get? Corporations don't vote...people do.


3 posted on 12/04/2004 5:18:03 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Drango

Don't forget to curse the universities who fight tooth and nail to be able to maintain their enrollments with foreign students.


4 posted on 12/04/2004 5:24:47 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: Drango

Vent away, Drango. Sounds like you're entitled. We need to write and phone Congress about this quiet little subterfuge. 1-800-648-3516

WhiteHouse comment lines: 202-456-6213 and 202-456-1111

TIME TO HOLD THOSE FEET TO THE FIRE while there are still any jobs left for American citizens.


5 posted on 12/04/2004 5:25:27 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: Drango

Hey, I thought it was only low paying menial tasks that needed to be filled by immigrants!

Seriously though, H1-B is a scam and a threat. I worked with a Paki H1-B and he did nothing but bash the USA and praise people like the Ayatollah Khomeini while collecting a salary that could have gone to a competent loyal American.


6 posted on 12/04/2004 5:30:54 AM PST by Dad2Angels
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To: Dad2Angels

Business wants cheap, compliant labor.


7 posted on 12/04/2004 5:33:41 AM PST by sobieski
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To: Drango
Its no longer Hewlett Packard, its Hewlett Patel.

These numbers are actually low from what I remember in the 90's for foreign workers coming into the US. Someone can correct me if I am wrong.

However, with the IT sector sending everything to India, why are we allowing these aliens to take American jobs?

8 posted on 12/04/2004 5:36:12 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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To: Drango; kittymyrib
The popular H1-B visas are granted to foreigners in specialty professions such as architecture, engineering, medicine, biotechnology and computer programming. Under the program, employers must pay foreign workers the prevailing wage for their job fields and show that qualified U.S. workers are not being passed over.

I know that many of the posters on these threads at FR are computer guys from reading the threads in the past. I am a physician and our group of 300 physicians has used a few of these docs in the past when we were unable to recruit despite market competitive salaries and benefits. In the computer field, just how do the companies have to demonstrate that qualified Americans have not been passed over, i.e., what proof do they have to provide?

For example, of the 424 students who earned master's degrees in engineering at the University of Texas at Austin last year, 228 were foreign students; of the 135 who earned doctorates in engineering, 81 were foreigners, Boyd said.

Do these numbers reflect a preference given to foreign graduates by the universities or a difficulty getting Americans to enter their programs? Does anyone have any facts with which to answer this question? Honest question that I simply don't know the answer to.

Unions and other critics say the program allows businesses to fill jobs with cheaper foreign labor.

How can this claim be reconciled with the government's claim that the foreigners must be paid the prevailing wage?

Corporations don't vote...people do.

Corporations do something far more important. They contribute. The election is over for another 2 years and it is time to collect contributions. Looks like this bill was passed after the election.

9 posted on 12/04/2004 5:37:05 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: Drango
I'm a conservative and I've voted republican for many many years, but when I see the way the current administration and congressional republicans are treating immigration in a time of war pisses me off! You hear Rush all week we (Americans) have to change the way we think about our professions as we transition from a industrial economy to an information economy, yet as we try to do that, republicans relax rules to allow foreigners, who may have questionable allegiances, into the country to cut the legs out from underneath us. I hope Tancredo continues his crusade! I support him 100% and screw the current administration not, at the very least, allowing Tancredo to bring the topic up for debate!
10 posted on 12/04/2004 5:42:04 AM PST by Shortwave (Supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor.)
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To: Drango
American Kid’s “generally” don’t want to work hard enough to train for these jobs.

Let Freedom Reign! Let me be free to contract with someone willing to study and work!

11 posted on 12/04/2004 5:43:21 AM PST by elfman2
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To: 7.62 x 51mm
Where are the radical republicans from the 1800s who were outraged by plantation owners unlimited supply of cheap foreign slave labor ? It took a war to solve that problem then, hope history doesn't repeat itself, but society tends to ignore history...


12 posted on 12/04/2004 5:44:03 AM PST by seastay
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To: Drango

Being in IT, just getting out of school this makes my blood boil.


13 posted on 12/04/2004 5:44:05 AM PST by KoRn
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To: johniegrad
Do these numbers reflect a preference given to foreign graduates by the universities or a difficulty getting Americans to enter their programs? Does anyone have any facts with which to answer this question? Honest question that I simply don't know the answer to.

Here is the difficulty getting Americans to enter their programs. The microeconomic reality is that few smart kids are going to shell out around $100000, much of it in debt, for job employers won't offer them.

14 posted on 12/04/2004 5:44:49 AM PST by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: Drango

Sorry to hear that Drango. Best wishes to you.


Here's the gop mandate at work for Americans?


15 posted on 12/04/2004 5:45:21 AM PST by WhiteGuy (The Constitution requires no interpretation, only enforcement.)
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To: johniegrad

Are you saying that you have hired physicians from another country?

I thought that in order to practice medicine in this country, you have to have a state medical license. The only way to get that is to go to medical school or residence program here.


16 posted on 12/04/2004 5:45:27 AM PST by Fishing-guy
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To: Fishing-guy

I live in a rural area, and you can't pronounce the names of half the doctors around here.


17 posted on 12/04/2004 5:47:09 AM PST by KoRn
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To: Drango
Don't forget, f*** you Ms. Carly Fiorina of HP who also supports outsourcing to India as well. What about jobs for the natives !

H1B and outsourcing help lines the pockets of @$$hole executives.
18 posted on 12/04/2004 5:49:41 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: KoRn
Me too. However, all the physicians around here have graduated from a US residency program. Most of them are good doctors.
19 posted on 12/04/2004 5:49:57 AM PST by Fishing-guy
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To: chimera

Pinging.


20 posted on 12/04/2004 5:50:01 AM PST by Paul Ross (Paid For By SwiftGeese Veterans For Truth)
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