Posted on 12/03/2004 11:00:39 PM PST by ChristianDefender
Fighting to the death in wartime is not murder, not by even the Pope's definition.
With respect to 641, I couldn't have said it better.
In reply to 636, when our soldiers are still dying in Iraq a year from now will you consider these actions decisive?
Give it up. You're never going to win the arguement against someone who's been there, done that, seen it in the flesh.
With respect to 587, now you are seeing the light. Even using one nuke to take out a potential military target, in say, Iran, would be a message that rang out like the "shot heard 'round the world".
How do you know where I have been? You don't so find another way to make your point, if you can.
"In reply to 636, when our soldiers are still dying in Iraq a year from now will you consider these actions decisive?"
Even if I'm among them. I'm still subject to recall, if they need an old and arthritic Master Sergeant. Even in ten years. Even if my son and daughters are among them. Several of my cousins have been among them. Several of my trainees and friends are among them now. My cousins are returning soon, as well. Heck, even some of my high school students are probably among them. Several enlisted with that specific intent. I repeat: Mass Murder is not the way to solve this problem. If we have to kill every stinking one of the islamofacists, fine and dandy. Indiscrimate murder of innocents is absolutely NOT acceptable. Do you understand my position now? "... all enemies, foreign and domestic..."
"Fighting to the death in wartime is not murder, not by even the Pope's definition."
The indiscrimate killing of civilians IS murder, by US law. I don't care what the Pope says. Killing the enemy requires a certain discrimination, which you seem to be lacking.
I guess you're hiding where you've been.
Yes you are, but perhaps there is still hope for you...
A question that needs to be asked is, if the allies had the precision weapons we have today would they of bombed the way they did?
"Even using one nuke to take out a potential military target, in say, Iran, would be a message that rang out like the 'shot heard 'round the world'."
Nukes are not likely to be necessary, and they are of seriously limited utility. They could well be dangerous to our people, particularly if we have to invade Iran. MOAB or a bunker-buster or two would be sufficient. I would consider Iran's nuclear materials processing plants legitimate targets of war. I am even willing to accept some "collateral damage" as necessary. FYI that term means UNINTENTIONAL civilian casualties.
I'd rather have trolls like him than wimpy apologists like you...
the Norden bomb sight yes for it's day it was accurate. My is if they would of had JDAMS would they of used the same tactics? I doubt it.
"if the allies had the precision weapons we have today would they of bombed the way they did?"
Not likely. As far back as Billy Mitchell, precision delivery was the "holy grail" of airpower. The old diehards who couldn't adapt to that eventually died out or retired. If they had been available as recently as Vietnam, Rolling Thunder would have worked out very differently.
"In their day they had precision weapons, the Norden bomb sight."
The Norden bombsight was not a "precision weapon." They were using gravity-bombs, with no guidance at all. the bombsight let them get within a couple of blocks of the target without having to make the run within small-arms range of the ground, as had been the practice, previously.
"I have tried on numerous occasions to remind freepers that our military distinguishes between the "bad guys" and the innocents and they should, too. Maybe coming from you, it will make a difference."
Thanks, but some have too much of the cave-man mentality. I doubt I'll change anyone's mind if they've got it made up. The ones I hope to reach are those who are just starting to think it over. As far as I'm concerned, killing terrorists is a good idea. Killing little kids and women is to be avoided if possible. It is not always possible, unfortunately, but it's a lot easier to sleep at night if you know you've tried.
I didn't suddenly see the light. Using appropriate weaponry against appropriate military targets is "decisive action." Using nuclear bombs against millions of women and children is slaughtering innocents.
It would be like saying all Catholics hate Protestants because what is happening in Ireland.
I think it's very dangerous to paint such a broad brush. I've worked with many Muslims in this country and they are very happy Americans and cringe at what some of their brethren are doing abroad.
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