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Ignoring the Elephant in Newspaperland (circulation losses 50percnt worse than we've been told)
Poynter ^ | Dec 3 04 | Rick Edmonds

Posted on 12/03/2004 10:54:29 PM PST by churchillbuff

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1 posted on 12/03/2004 10:54:29 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

In any business, if you're not growing your dying. Good riddance.


2 posted on 12/03/2004 11:01:20 PM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: churchillbuff
managed to lose track of a quarter of a million phantom readers in this still unfolding scandal.

Because they lie on the front page, they lie in the editorials, they lie in the board-room, they lie to the accountants, and they lie to themselves.

Looks like truth and reality caught up with the liberal liars.

/john

3 posted on 12/03/2004 11:02:08 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (D@mit! I'm just a cook. Don't make me come over there and prove it!)
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To: churchillbuff

Well, I already don't subscribe to any of them, but if there's anything I can do to help make their plight even more desperate, please let me know...


4 posted on 12/04/2004 12:59:32 AM PST by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: fire_eye

To the enviro-wackers, dump that nuzpaper and save a tree!


5 posted on 12/04/2004 1:13:21 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero)
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To: GVgirl
In any business, if you're not growing your dying. Good riddance.

Good summation.

During our recent financial hardships, subscriptions to papers and magazines were among the first things to go- and while I found myself missing the ritual of fetching the morning & evening papers, I got much more diverse news from the web and talk radio.

I found that when I would read a paper at a relative's house, I was struck by how narrow and dogmatic they seemed to have become-- they all take one of about five stories being peddled by the New York Times, the LA Times, or the Washington Post, and run it into the ground with repetition.

6 posted on 12/04/2004 1:16:11 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

Yes, but they are doing very well on diversity in the newsroom, especially diversity in race and in sexual orientation.


7 posted on 12/04/2004 1:39:17 AM PST by ReadyNow
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To: churchillbuff

Now I know why... I get a free copy of Wall Street, and other papers at my hotel and airlines.....


8 posted on 12/04/2004 2:19:30 AM PST by 57Chevy
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To: churchillbuff
What's a newspaper?.....

I get local info online with pics and national and international news.... online. So do my kids. The free newspaper that their classrooms get are the only ones they've seen. Otherwise it seems like a big "Greensheet" with advertising pamphlets and coupons mixed with photo copies of the stuff they saw online.

good-bye New York times.... soon all it will be is a real estate guide and crossword puzzle collection. You can get that for free and the Chamber of Commerce.

9 posted on 12/04/2004 3:46:15 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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I still purchase the Detroit News almost daily, but more and more I ask myself why I do so. I suppose out of a sense of loyalty since I was a News carrier in the early 60s. It is no longer the same paper. It prints a lot of AP and LA Times articles, editorially tilts to the left on almost every issue. Lots more good stuff available on the Web, talk radio, and Fox. I don't watch the local TV news anymore because its usually about the latest fire in Detroit where all the people died because they had anti-felon bars on the windows and couldn't get out in time.


10 posted on 12/04/2004 3:52:54 AM PST by RushLake (Permission from the UN...we don't need no stinking permission slip from the UN.)
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To: GVgirl

You can equate this to the horse and buggy being replaced by the auto. You deliver a paper once a day. TV delivers it every half hour and the internet delivers it every minute. Papers are dead, we gave up all ours a year ago and other than ads which I didn't need anyway I haven't missed anything.
The key for info providers is to find a way to make a buck delivering the product.


11 posted on 12/04/2004 4:14:58 AM PST by Recon Dad (Horse and Buggy)
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Are all print media experiencing a similar downturn? I heard some yahoo on Laura Ingraham imply that sales of books and magazines were also down, but it was an implication. Anyone have any stats?

Speaking of LI, she is asking for ideas of LI merchandise. I vote for the Laura Ingrahammer, but that's already been done.


12 posted on 12/04/2004 4:22:08 AM PST by SWake ("Estrada was savaged by liars and abandoned by cowards." Mark Davis, WBAP, 09/09/2003)
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GOING, GOING, but unfortunately not gone.............YET!
13 posted on 12/04/2004 4:47:41 AM PST by leprechaun9
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To: 57Chevy
I also get a free WSJ to the office and not a bill in sight. The Chicago Tribune is also very helpful with their home delivery whether their bill is paid or not. The bride likes to read that rag and then I wipe my shoes with it.
14 posted on 12/04/2004 6:07:39 AM PST by Thebaddog (Dawgs at rest.)
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To: Recon Dad

I am actually shocked that most newspapers onine are still free.


15 posted on 12/04/2004 6:23:36 AM PST by RaceBannon (Arab Media pulled out of Fallujah; Could we get the MSM to pull out of America??)
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To: churchillbuff
LOL, I dropped the Chicago Tribune 8 or 9 years ago because of liberalism and biased reporting. I get all the news I need on the web and talk radio.

SAVE THEM TREES! Stop buying the news printed on paper!

16 posted on 12/04/2004 6:36:30 AM PST by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: churchillbuff

If Halliburton had perpetrated this type of fraud these newspapers would be screaming for Dick Cheney's resignation, not attempting to minimize the problem.


17 posted on 12/04/2004 6:51:28 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." W. B. Yeats)
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To: churchillbuff

I remember in San Antonio a number of years ago, the city lost their second paper. The remaining paper promptly increased (doubled I think?) the cost of ads.

The auto dealers, being among the hardest hit, tried to fight this by producing a mail-out rather than use the paper but they finally gave in.


18 posted on 12/04/2004 8:31:45 AM PST by wildbill
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To: RaceBannon

Advertising accounts for a lot of their revenue. And they know that people aren't going to pay for a service like that when they can get the information elsewhere.

A lot of sites will cut it up too. Some of the articles you have to sign up for in order to get access. It's pretty smart actually I think.


19 posted on 12/04/2004 8:34:59 AM PST by YoungHickey
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To: Recon Dad
I still take my local daily, but I live in a small town and it's the main source of local news.

Used to love reading the Sunday paper with a cup of coffee. Now it's Fox News Sunday and FreeRepublic.

20 posted on 12/04/2004 9:05:12 AM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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