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The Politics of Conservation (Rick Smith..Yellowstone National Park)
Albuquerque Alibi ^ | 12/2 /04 | Tim McGivern

Posted on 12/03/2004 2:07:25 PM PST by woofie

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1 posted on 12/03/2004 2:07:26 PM PST by woofie
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To: woofie

mmmm it seems Bush is evil...where have I heard that before?


2 posted on 12/03/2004 2:12:42 PM PST by woofie
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The retirees feel that Bush has politicised the NPS?

Geez--the NPS has been that way for a long, long time...


Not too many NPS employees around that are NOT screaming left wing.


3 posted on 12/03/2004 2:13:51 PM PST by fastattacksailor (Free KoolAid for all DUmmies!)
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bttt


4 posted on 12/03/2004 2:15:24 PM PST by malia (I am French, English, Scotch, and German. What am I?)
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To: woofie
"It's not normal, it's not typical," said Smith, "It's unprecedented."

It's political.

5 posted on 12/03/2004 2:16:21 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/19/04)
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To: woofie

"And of course there was President Teddy Roosevelt, the highest regarded Republican environmentalist of them all "


Teddy Roosevelt - the moron who said it's our patriotic duty to question the gov't and its actions.


6 posted on 12/03/2004 2:21:51 PM PST by Blzbba (Conservative Republican - Less gov't, less spending, less intrusion.)
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To: woofie
We mentioned the drive to privatize park service jobs. They have a nice word for that—they call it ’competitive sourcing.' They want government agencies to be efficient. It seems they want to sacrifice effectiveness on the altar of efficiency.

There's the real agenda. "My ox is being gored now, rather than the Pentagon's, so, it's really evil to cancel the sinecures at the park service.

7 posted on 12/03/2004 2:25:53 PM PST by FredZarguna (Ready now thy pajamas. For the Dark Queen begins to gather all evil things unto herself.)
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To: woofie
A good example is the Yellowstone snowmobile policy. This is an issue that's been studied for 10 years. The evidence is unequivocal that continued snowmobile use in Yellowstone is detrimental to park wildlife, hazardous to public health and it impairs the viewshed. Snowmobiles are sources of tremendous pollution. The evidence is clear. Then to turn around and say that we are going to continue to permit snowmobiles despite this evidence seems absolutely inconsistent with the idea that Yellowstone and other national parks are to be preserved in perpetuity, as opposed to becoming some kind of recreational funny farm.

How has the Bush administration reacted to the scientific data?

Since when is it the job of unelected scientists to make policy? Do the DemocRATS have a clue why they lose western states?

8 posted on 12/03/2004 2:34:19 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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but by today's standards (summed up in four words—Dick Cheney Energy Czar)

Lost me right there.

9 posted on 12/03/2004 2:36:42 PM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: woofie
What's unique about the park service is each generation of Americans, speaking through its elected representatives, gets to decide what should be protected in perpetuity. These places are so unique and so special they help us understand who we are as a people, what our history has been. It's really a unique and very valuable record of what each generation of Americans has done.

The legislation passed in 1916 said you have to take care of these places so that the resource values can be preserved unimpaired.

Oh really? The snowmobile ban was put in place by a last minute Clinton executive order not by any law enacted by Congress. Congress definitely would not have passed such legislation. I seriously doubt it was the Congress' intent to create a dictatorship of experts in the 1916 legislation.

10 posted on 12/03/2004 2:39:38 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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You know if you got a poll with 10 percent of all New Mexicans responding, it would be bomb proof.

With regards to the survey, Mr. Smith is dishonest. His dishonesty concerning the survey is perhaps typical of that in the rest of the article. In the first place, the survey represents 8 (not 10)% of permanent employees. Since the Park Service employs enormous numbers of seasonal workers who return year-after-year who aren't technically permanent, the number of respondents is in fact even less impressive. More to the point, he suggests that because the survey was conducted by a "professional polling organization," the poll is a scientific poll, conducted with carefully constructed questions that would betray no bias. False. It is a self-selected e-mail poll. Therefore, it's guaranteed to reflect the opinions of the most negatively oriented employees, and the author knows this quite well. Go to the link and read some of the questions. I'll let those familiar with the constraints of a truly scientific poll to determine whether these questions are leading or not.

If this survey is representative of the kind of "science" practiced by the Park Service, I'm glad to see they're outsourcing.

11 posted on 12/03/2004 2:40:54 PM PST by FredZarguna (Ready now thy pajamas. For the Dark Queen begins to gather all evil things unto herself.)
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To: woofie
want more money for the park services chage a rate that looks like America. Here is an example of the park service advantages to our poor seniors. These rates make Six Flags look like armed robbery.

Golden Age Passport

This lifetime passport is for U.S. citizens or permanent residents 62 years of age or older. A one-time fee of $10 is charged. The passport must be obtained in person and is available at any federal area where an entrance fee is charged. The passport admits the holder and accompanying passengers in a private, noncommercial vehicle to national parks and provides a 50% discount on camping and some other fees. When entry is not by private vehicle, the passport admits the passholder, spouse, and children. Golden Eagle Passport

This $65 passport is valid for one year from the date of purchase. The passport may be purchased at any federal area where an entrance fee is charged. It allows the permit holder and any accompanying passengers in a private, noncommercial vehicle to enter all federal parks that charge entrance fees. When entry is not by private vehicle, the passport admits the passholder, spouse, and children.

12 posted on 12/03/2004 2:50:52 PM PST by q_an_a
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To: Paleo Conservative
Since when is it the job of unelected scientists to make policy?

Sometime after it became the job of the CIA to determine American war policy, which was,
sometime after it became the job of the State Department to determine American foreign policy, which was,
sometime after it became the job of the unelected judges to determine general public policy.

My point--and I do have one--is that when those entrusted with the laws become lawless, it becomes a dangerous example for everyone in a position of public trust. That artifact, seldom remarked on, is every bit as consequential as the reckless decisions that they make.

13 posted on 12/03/2004 2:50:55 PM PST by FredZarguna (Ready now thy pajamas. For the Dark Queen begins to gather all evil things unto herself.)
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Just once, please, I'd like to hear an environazi say, "You know the environment looks pretty good lets take a break for awhile." But nooo these people act like it's still 1970 and no progress at all has been made.The more I hear them snivel the more I want to go out and pollute something.I think I'll go start up my desmogged repiped and jetted Suzuki and let it idle for no apparent reason.
14 posted on 12/03/2004 2:51:59 PM PST by edchambers ("Pajama clad Neocon footsoldier of the Haliburton Death squad")
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"The retirees feel that Bush has politicised the NPS?

Geez--the NPS has been that way for a long, long time...


Not too many NPS employees around that are NOT screaming left wing."
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My guess is that we are watching the harpooned thrashings of a bureaucratic beast sensing the end of an era. I wish I could know what long-time NPS bete noir Alston Chase ("Playing God in Yellowstone") has to say about Bush's actions vis a vis NPS and I would certainly like to know more about this new director Fran Mainella.

When you get down to specifics, this Rick Smith guy is bitching about the administration's attitude more than their actions. He goes on about how previous presidents deferred to him and his kind and then how the Park Service is getting disrespected by Dubya and his minions who actually seem to think THEY are in charge. He really only complains about the overturning of the snowmobile ban (which has been percolating for over a decade; I had forgotten it was another one of those Clinton executive orders) and the contracting out of some Park Service jobs (what bureaucrat would NOT be outraged by that?).


15 posted on 12/03/2004 2:56:41 PM PST by sinanju
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After reading his book, I made it a point to see Alston Chase address the Greater Yellowstone Coalition about 10 years ago. He was quite good in the face of an obviously very hostile audience. You can disagree with him all you want, but he has an unbelievable store of facts and history right at his fingertips. As to this, I'm actually surprised that as small as 8% responded to the survey. I would expect the typical NPS employee to be a good bit more radical than this, based on my limited exposure.

And since we've mentioned it, let's plug the book. If you're interested in environmental issues, it's a bit dated but still great and well worth a read. Get it used if you're a cheapskate. Playing God in Yellowstone: The Destruction of America's First National Park by Alston Chase.

16 posted on 12/03/2004 3:07:32 PM PST by FredZarguna (Ready now thy pajamas. For the Dark Queen begins to gather all evil things unto herself.)
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Fire them all, a bunch of liars that do not have an oz of sense....Friggin bureaucrats all, need to get them gone! They would not know a good policy if it fell on their heads...who the hell are these poseurs?


17 posted on 12/03/2004 3:16:48 PM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero)
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I think Bush has done well on environmental issues. First, he implemented the "Clean House" Act in Afghanistan and Iraq, and then he implemented the "Clean Yer Clock" Act with John Kerry and the Democrat Party.


18 posted on 12/03/2004 3:37:38 PM PST by AZLiberty ("Insurgence" is futile.)
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19 posted on 12/03/2004 4:01:33 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
20 posted on 12/03/2004 4:50:25 PM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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