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1 posted on 12/03/2004 12:56:37 AM PST by kattracks
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Does anybody know of more info on how Saddam was linked to this guy? (links, etc) I'm just getting that he was an Iraqi.


2 posted on 12/03/2004 1:02:28 AM PST by nj26
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I have never, ever doubted Saddam was behind this and also used McVeigh as a willing dupe in the Oklahoma City bombing.
4 posted on 12/03/2004 1:46:05 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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Ping


6 posted on 12/03/2004 2:10:30 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Today, please pray for God's miracle, we are not going to make it without him.)
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12 posted on 12/03/2004 3:42:31 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Political correctness is the handmaiden of terrorism.)
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You know, for all the times I've seen world net daily bashed on FR, they've been reporting this since the '90's.


14 posted on 12/03/2004 3:53:09 AM PST by Klickitat
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bookmark. Gotta go to work.


16 posted on 12/03/2004 3:58:19 AM PST by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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how could anyone have any respect for the u.s. media when they let the government cover this up?


18 posted on 12/03/2004 4:09:59 AM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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I would love for all of this information to come to light. I lost a high school classmate on that flight... his name was Patrick Bell. Many in this country don't realize the threat we now face on a daily basis.


24 posted on 12/03/2004 4:26:36 AM PST by CurlyBill (Mark Levin for the Supreme Court!)
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Here we go again. First, if you want a GREAT novel on TWA 800, read Nelson DeMille's latest, "Nightfall."

That said, a Stinger could not have done it, period.

Second, there is a big difference between a bomb and a missile, and there is no evidence whatsoever of bomb-type damage. They reconstructed 90+% of the airplane, and what they reconstructed is simply too much for a bomb, especially in the sections in question.

Third, the "red residue" is not evidence of an explosive missile. It is consistent with seat glues and other superheated fabric residues----BUT say for a moment it WAS somehow related to the exhaust of a rocket motor, the only thing you could possibly have was a "pass through" missile or a "kinetic-kill" missile---not an explosive missile. This is a crucial distinction that the Cashills and Sanders types obscure.

No terrorist, EVER, has EVER used a "pass through" device as an anti-aircraft weapon: it would not occur to them it they were trying to blow up a plane, because aircraft can survive and even land with holes in them, even fairly large holes. The only way to ensure destruction is through an explosive device.

AQ was working on bombs. Get it? BOMBS, not missiles. There is no record in Lance's book, or Minitier's research, or Posner's research on AQ of them EVER, and I repeat, EVER obtaining a super-high-cost and high-technology "signature-seeking" (note, not HEAT SEAKING because it didn't go for the engines) missile. If you follow what type of weapon "could have" done this, you must rule out terrorists.

That leaves only an accidental/deliberate Navy launch. As DeMille concludes in his (fiction) book, it is simply impossible to keep hundreds, even thousands, of Navy personnel quiet on such an issue if such an accident occurred, and even more so if it was deliberate.

I highly recommend DeMille's book for the thought processes he goes through. He has done his research, even though it's "fiction."

Finally, the "streak of light" could not possibly have been a "particle beam" weapon (which DeMille SEEMS to be leaning to, even though . . . well, I won't give away the plot) because according to some witnesses it "maneuvered." So we are back to a very specific "pass-through" kinetic-energy missile that was NOT heat seeking, which AQ had no record of ever obtaining; which AQ had no history of ever using; which did NOT fit the AQ profile in ANY of their other operations; and which in NO WAY would have provided the warm up for the Bojinka or 9/11 plots.

We have 200+ eyewitnesses. What did they see? Something. I grant you, they weren't all wrong. I doubt it was falling debris. But the reconstructed aircraft doesn't lie: it rules out a bomb; it rules out a Stinger; it rules out any heat-seeker; it rules out any explosive missile. This is a classic case of the forensic evidence being directly contradictory to the eyewitness "evidence."

25 posted on 12/03/2004 4:35:43 AM PST by LS
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the annihilation of TWA Flight 800—the second-greatest mass-murder in American history

I take exception with this line. While the murder of 230 people is not insignificant by any means I would contend that the downing of flight 587 over Queens NY which killed 265 people takes second place in this tragic category.

26 posted on 12/03/2004 4:45:55 AM PST by Dad2Angels
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Great post! It's encouraging to know that there are journalists still working on this story. The families deserve to know what really happened.

After an election season of Michael Moore movie hype and its Bush family and Haliburton conspiracies, it is clear that the left has its share of conspiracy tinfoil theorists. But, I believe the Clinton material is far more compelling.

TWA Flt. 800 is one several events from the Clinton years that have never been adequately explained. Vince Foster's death, Ron Brown's, the OKC bombing are several others. There are many here who believe the official explanations for all of those incidents, but I'm not one of them. And as far as Flt 800 is concerned, random chance isn't what caused the crash.

28 posted on 12/03/2004 4:50:49 AM PST by GBA
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"NightFall" by Nelson Demille was just released in November.

It is based on the TWA 800 crash.

With this book, DeMille may be able to bring July 17,1996 back into play.


29 posted on 12/03/2004 4:51:26 AM PST by weepnomore
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The MSM was so pre-occuciped with their Clinton sycophant knee bending journalism they forgot to do their job.

Damn, this article pisses me off.

31 posted on 12/03/2004 5:07:35 AM PST by Popman
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I don't recall this sort of info coming out on FrontPageMag before. Usually WorldNetDaily (no disrespect intended) is the source, so I'll give this a bttt.

Ping


33 posted on 12/03/2004 5:30:52 AM PST by prairiebreeze (It's my right to publically celebrate Christmas and state my faith in Christ. At least for now.....)
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Incredibly, Judge Reena Raggi ordered the feds to return Ajaj’s bomb recipes to him.

Not so incredible considering:

Freedom of the Press

Property Rights

The Rule of Law

39 posted on 12/03/2004 6:17:59 AM PST by marktwain
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As everyone knows, the official government position to this day is that the center wing tank of the jumbo jet mysteriously self-ignited shortly after takeoff, without any human cause. But in addition to all the hard physical evidence of a terrorist bomb or missile strike recounted in his book, including Yousef’s favorite explosive residues, RDX, PETN and Nitro on multiple seat cushions pulled from the ocean floor, Cashill’s later comment about the attack occurring on Iraq’s Liberation Day is shattering in its impact: “Were Mecca to be bombed on the 4th of July, the disinterested observer would logically conclude that either the USA was responsible or that some provocateur did it to implicate the US.”

Hmmm...now, wasn't this stuff what the Marxist-Stream-Media SCREAMED about being "missing" from Iraq JUST before the Nov. elections??? That is was Soooooo serious, and all Bush's fault that such POWERFUL explosive materials (which Iraq WASN'T supposed to have, and the U.N KNEW of and catalogued, but never REMOVED from posession...)was missing/unaccounted for?

Now, just when did the media have all kinds of exposes on the explosives residue on SEATS on a downed airliner...oh, wait...it was during IMPOTUS X-42's regime....that explains it; nevermind!

SCUM!!! All Marxist-stream-Media are SCUM!

TWA-800 WAS a terrorist op, IMPOTUS X-42 KNEW, and did NOTHING but CYA because his "Legacy" and re-election were MORE important that American lives/property and SAFETY!

44 posted on 12/03/2004 6:34:49 AM PST by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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bump for a later read


52 posted on 12/03/2004 9:17:32 AM PST by AuntB (Every person who enters the U.S. illegally--from anywhere--increases the likelihood of another 9/11)
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btt


62 posted on 12/03/2004 4:07:16 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie.)
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Bump to print


66 posted on 12/03/2004 9:21:42 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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Just got through reading Nelson DeMille's new book dealing with Flight 800, "Night Fall". His theory was that it was a Kinetic missile that hit the plane. It hit the air conditioning system that set off the sparks that caused the fumes in the center fuel tank to explode.
Interesting theory, I highly recommend the book, it makes a good read and offers possibilities.
69 posted on 12/04/2004 6:45:12 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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