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To: general_re
I submit that for bus drivers to engage in such behavior is wrong, period, regardless of context

LOL! What was that before about me attacking a straw man? Again your side is reduced to desperately concocting more absolute principles under which your viewpoint on a specific matter is be correct (Thou shall not talk to the Children about anything that might conceivably upset even unreasonable parents--from The lost Bus Driving tablet Moses accidently dropped in Mel Brook's history of the World)

...facts X, Y, and Z - being good God-fearing conservative facts...

LOL again. Are there any Bible versus concerning stem cell research that Mrs Mayor was using in her preaching? I can just imagine it now: "Don't go believing in Satan's lies, as the prophet Gibson in the book of Medical Efficacy saw in a vision..."

Now I don't want to make you feel like I'm attacking a strawman, but your last rant seems to imply that it is an absolute moral princible that bus drivers say nothing to children, and any disagreement reveals a complete lack of moral princibles.

Moreover, its dissapointed me that you can't ackonollege that there is a kind of gottcha game going on. This is normal among mortals (even adults), and especially true among men. In my experience, if you don't identify the emotions that have inspired such banter (as when you accused me of being off my medication) within yourself, then it is difficult for you to seperate them from your critical thinking.

At this sad point, I honestly think you are so twisted up, that I feel more sorry for you then anything. Which sounds a bit self serving (and it is a bit). I know I've got your goat, and although I am ready to rip apart more arguments, I would really appreciate some that are a little more challenging.

585 posted on 12/07/2004 2:12:21 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: AndyTheBear
What was that before about me attacking a straw man?

Here let me refresh your memory, since it appears to be something you're prone to, a sort of rhetorical tic, if you will:

(Thou shall not talk to the Children about anything that might conceivably upset even unreasonable parents--from The lost Bus Driving tablet Moses accidently dropped in Mel Brook's history of the World)

Who said that? Did I say that? Of course not - you just made it up. What I did say is that, contrary to your apparent delusion, AndyTheBear does not get to define "reasonable" or "unreasonable" objections for society at large, or parents in general. Not content to delegate authority over the nation's children to mere substitute school bus drivers, Andy will thoughtfully step up to the plate and take authority for determining how and when subjects of interest to millions will be introduced by his determination that any objection he doesn't care for is unreasonable. Should we even be remotely surprised that those who happen to agree with Andy are ipso facto "reasonable"? Not really.

Now I don't want to make you feel like I'm attacking a strawman, but your last rant seems to imply that it is an absolute moral princible that bus drivers say nothing to children, and any disagreement reveals a complete lack of moral princibles.

It "seems to imply", does it? And I am responsible for your fevered imaginings how, exactly?

Moreover, its dissapointed me that you can't ackonollege that there is a kind of gottcha game going on.

LOL. As much as I hate to disappoint people, I'll manage to soldier on somehow, I'm sure. I am sorry that you find yourself at a loss as to how exactly to proceed here, but I am content to continue to argue substantial issues, rather than grasping the low-hanging fruit of pointing out that you don't know what "ursine" means, or that you can't consistently spell "gotcha" - or "disappointed", "acknowledge", and "principles", for that matter. I realize that this must put something of a crimp in your argumentative style, such as it is, not being able to turn this into a bout of petty, personal bickering, but perhaps someday you'll come to see some virtue in thoughtfulness and circumspection, rather than constantly shooting for the role of class clown. Perhaps not. If you're happy to run around trying to score cheap rhetorical points, and then high-fiving your new friend as though you've said something substantive, then I'm perfectly happy to let you. Makes my job here that much easier, in the end.

At this sad point, I honestly think you are so twisted up, that I feel more sorry for you then anything.

In my experience, it's wise to avoid the temptation of imputing emotions or motives to those who disagree with you - it smacks of projection. Rest assured, when I sign off here, I'll forget all about you. Hopefully, you can say the same about me, but if not, it'll do you good to try - fewer ulcers that way.

I know I've got your goat, and although I am ready to rip apart more arguments, I would really appreciate some that are a little more challenging.

Why deploy my "A" game? There's nothing you've presented to seriously argue against. If you can find it in yourself to present a serious argument, one a little lighter on self-serving definitions, followed by declarations of victory and touchdown dances, yet blessedly unencumbered by any sort of reasoning process, I'll be around.

598 posted on 12/07/2004 5:14:12 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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