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School Bus Driver Fired for Stem Cell Talk
Associated Press ^ | 12/2/04

Posted on 12/02/2004 3:56:16 PM PST by reportgirl73

GRAND ISLAND, N.Y. (AP) - An elementary school bus driver was fired after sharing a statistic she had read about embryonic stem cell research with students, then encouraging them to tell their parents about it.

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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

We don't know, they are going to call back after they read her e-mail..


81 posted on 12/02/2004 5:35:11 PM PST by The Mayor (If Jesus lives within us, sin need not overwhelm us.)
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To: AndyTheBear
Sounds to me that the school children were asking questions and wanted facts, and the driver was giving them facts while trying to keep her opinion out of it.

OK, so a busload of elementary-aged children approached MrsMayor completely out of the blue and said, "Hey, MrsMayor, please tell us all about what Mel Gibson thinks about stem cell research! We've been waiting all week to ask you about it, because if there's one person in the world who can set us straight about Mel and stem-cell research, it's the substitute bus driver!"

Is that really what happened?

That would be expressing an opinion. For instance had the bus driver been telling the kids they would burn in hell if they had an abortion, that would be a problem to. But if the bus driver was asked about how safe abortions were, and the bus driver came back with a reasonable fact based answer then what's the beef?

A responsible bus driver would say that abortion was something the child should discuss with her family, and go back to driving the bus.

"I realize that not being an evangelical (or any other type of) Christian, I am very much in the minority here" What's the point in saying this? Do you think those of us who are evalgelical christians are not capable of seeing things objectivly, so you need to set yourself apart as being more reliable?

Not necessarily more reliable, but my perspective is certainly different than that of an evangelical, and yes, I think it's a valid point.

"That's what bus drivers are paid to do, no more and no less." Do you always do the absolute minimum of what your job title requires? Do you really think people are nothing more then their job title?

I do my job to the very limit of my abilities and I certainly go the extra mile or ten to satisfy my clients, but no, I don't waste time on things that have absolutely nothing to do with my job description, and might even jeopardize my job.

As a parent I would prefer a bus driver who took an real interest in the children, and if they had factual, educational answers which they discussed with children in a reasonable manner, I would be delighted.

See, our perspectives are definitely different here. I want a bus driver who is focused on driving the bus.

82 posted on 12/02/2004 5:36:39 PM PST by DGray (http://nicanfhilidh.blogspot.com)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
Definitely not a troll, O.C. ... just someone who thinks we shouldn't resort to their tactics.
83 posted on 12/02/2004 5:39:34 PM PST by DGray (http://nicanfhilidh.blogspot.com)
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To: reportgirl73
Whenever I have a Scientific or Medical Question I always consult the Local School Bus Driver.
84 posted on 12/02/2004 5:41:46 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: School Bus Driver

Perhaps you have a conflict of interest here ;-)


85 posted on 12/02/2004 5:47:15 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Rick Nash will score 50 goals this season ( if there is a season)
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To: pete anderson

86 posted on 12/02/2004 5:47:36 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: The Mayor
When did facts become indoctrination? If you believe that, you're a strange and silly little man!

They aren't, but when you are telling this to elementary school children it is. Their biggest worry should be what toys they are going to play with, not politics. They don't know if what you are telling them is fact or fiction. You were hired to drive them back and forth to school safely.

Remember it's a fact that abortion is sadly legal. I wouldn't want anyone teaching that to elementary school children on a bus, or using the defense that it's a fact.

87 posted on 12/02/2004 5:48:37 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: DGray
I want a bus driver who is focused on driving the bus.

What a radical opinion you have!

88 posted on 12/02/2004 5:51:00 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: The Mayor
"A district official said he couldn't comment on Thompson's employment history with the district but said district policy doesn't allow discussion of political issues with students while employees are on duty."

Political issue? I thought it was a scientific issue. Heaven forbid anyone should say anything to students that might cause them to actually learn something.

89 posted on 12/02/2004 5:51:09 PM PST by sweetliberty (Proud member of the Pajama Posse!)
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To: reportgirl73

I'm a school bus driver. She was out of line.


90 posted on 12/02/2004 5:51:20 PM PST by OwnershipSociety
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To: The Mayor

I'm a school bus driver and I would expect the same treatment if I brought something like that up to my student passengers and told them to mention it to their parents.

Totally out of line.


91 posted on 12/02/2004 5:53:14 PM PST by OwnershipSociety
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To: OwnershipSociety; The Mayor
You mean before the election you did not tell the kids on your route that you were voting for Bush and that they should tell their parents to do the same thing?

How about the School Bus Drivers that are Liberal, would it be okay for them to tell the kids on their route that that Bush a a bad and evil President and that the family should rent F/911?

Do Muslim School Bus Drivers try to convert the kids on their Bus to Islam?

92 posted on 12/02/2004 5:57:54 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...


93 posted on 12/02/2004 6:07:10 PM PST by Coleus (There is Plenty of Room For all of God's Creatures, Right Next to the mashed potatoes! Happy TG Day)
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To: The Mayor
Is there a written rule regarding the type of discourse she is allowed to have with children? If not, what is their real basis for dismissal?

Your wife didn't talk about sex, give out rosaries, or sing Christmas Carols. Amazing.

Good luck.

94 posted on 12/02/2004 6:08:07 PM PST by mia
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To: pete anderson

And why are you asking me these questions?


95 posted on 12/02/2004 6:09:45 PM PST by OwnershipSociety
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To: OwnershipSociety
Just because it's not something you would choose to do, doesn't make it wrong for me -- educating people with facts, is simply my nature. Like your nature might be, for instance, to put doodles and Halloween decorations and such on your bus.

I headed the WNY chapter of the New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms, which is an arm of the NY Family Research Foundation -- an educational institution. The GI Transportation Dept. knew that when they persuaded me to work for them. It's just -- my nature.

~The Mayor's Wife~

96 posted on 12/02/2004 6:19:19 PM PST by The Mayor (If Jesus lives within us, sin need not overwhelm us.)
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To: The Mayor

I'm sorry but you were totally out of line even WITHOUT asking them to discuss it with their parents. The fact that you threw that in was appalling. IMHO

The children our your bus are a captive audience and not there for you to "dump" your "facts" on. They are there for you to drive safely to their destination, not for any other reason.


97 posted on 12/02/2004 6:23:38 PM PST by OwnershipSociety
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To: DGray
Yeah, sure. You just updated your homepage to say you're a Jeffersonian liberal. Whatever that means.

You're a troll.

98 posted on 12/02/2004 6:25:57 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Moonman62
Their biggest worry should be what toys they are going to play with, not politics.

I think that's the "dumbing down" part of our failing educational system...

You were hired to drive them back and forth to school safely.

I did just that. In fact, I was one of the safest drivers in the department. Sooooooo, I'm not allowed to provide scientific facts to students, why? O, because I was just a lowly bus driver? I'm sorry, I just still don't get it.

~The Mayor's Wife~

99 posted on 12/02/2004 6:30:17 PM PST by The Mayor (If Jesus lives within us, sin need not overwhelm us.)
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To: pete anderson
How about the School Bus Drivers that are Liberal, would it be okay for them to tell the kids on their route that that Bush a a bad and evil President and that the family should rent F/911?

Do Muslim School Bus Drivers try to convert the kids on their Bus to Islam?

They're welcome to try it in our neighborhood, but I wouldn't be surprised if they got dragged off their bus and beat to a pulp.

100 posted on 12/02/2004 6:31:01 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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