Posted on 12/02/2004 3:56:16 PM PST by reportgirl73
And God Bless you too!
In humble service to His Majesty the King,
Julianne
First, it wasn't a position, but an immutable truth that is not in dispute. Embryonic cells have never provided any cures, or even hope for cures; they cause fast growing cancers in most cases.
Second, close to 68% of the American public voices opposition to use of embryos in any research. You are pulling a Dan Rather here.
Third, when you send your children to government schools, you have relinquished all control over what they hear and what they are taught. In many states you have even relinquished control over their medical treatment. No responsible parent sends their children to government schools at this point in time.
But we ARE right, that's the difference.
"Even liberals have articles and studies that they can point to to "prove" their positions. Arguing the point that we discuss "fact" and they lie is ludicrous. They will never believe our facts because they don't want to!"
The FACT that they don't want to believe our FACTS, doesn't change the FACT that our FACTS are FACTS.
Thank you the Mayor and most of all Mrs.Mayor..
Your okay with the firing? She wasn't deliberately trying to cause trouble, she was trying to disseminate ACCURATE and TRUTHFUL information. But you've warped and twisted her motives and actions as well as any leftist would. YOU are guilty of doing the same kind of thing they do to conservatives, you hypocrite.
"Frankly, the liberal teachers I've encountered are so involved in their own world view that they cannot even comprehend WHAT we are so angry about. They don't realize how much of what they say is liberal crap and that there IS another side. I lost a long time teacher friend right before the election by trying to explain to her how biased her teaching is. She NEVER got it and was determined to believe that I was just suddenly a mean and awful person (after 10 years)."
Firing that type of person is probably ineffective. She wouldn't have gotten it, the teachers left behind probably wouldn't get it and thus change their behavior. I wouldn't cry if they all got fired though."
So we should fire conservatives because that would be effective but we shouldn't fire liberals because that would be ineffective? Yeah, sure, that makes a lot of sense.
Both sides should be treated equally regarding these issues. FIRE a few Liberals and they will begin to get it. The teachers who take their place will tread more lightly. We have to complain, organize, protest and use whatever legitimate avenue it takes to stop them from indoctrinating children.
As I said on a previous post to you, I grow weary of conservatives (and that means YOU) who are harder on their own than on the enemy. We get enough of that from liberals (who are harder on us than they are their own). Thank you for well proving my point.
I believe you mayor. I asked you about the above in post #130 on 12/2. Your wife answered in post #131 and #132 also on 12/2 stating that she asked what was appropriate and never got an answer. The article posted by general_re was written on 12/4. My questions and your wife's answer came 2 days before the article.
The press spins, lies and often gets facts wrong. I know that well from personal experience. AND it's difficult to imagine just how poor they are, unless it happens to you.
Yes, the school adminstrators are lying to cover their butts, especially since they know you are talking to lawyers. I've experienced that also.
Do you believe the press and the school administrators, or do you believe Mr. & Mrs. Mayor?
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can you keep us updated on the status of the lawsuit and if possible get a lawyer that wont settle out of court :-)
I'm content to let the facts reveal themselves in due time.
"It doesn't matter. Using the children, who are captive on the bus, for an "educational" lesson is unacceptable. No matter how worthy the info or the motivations of the so called "teacher" may be"
I believe you and I agree on more than you'll admit.
For instance:
The very first time I ever heard about sex was on the school bus. I even remember the name of the kid who told me. We were five years old. What Paul told me was so graphic that I can't go into it here.
We hear in the news on a regular basis about kids having sex at younger and younger ages.
I'm certain you agree with me that this is a bad thing.
Now if I were a bus driver and I heard the kids discussing what I heard at five years of age, I as a bus driver would speak out against it with all my might.
It could save someone from a lifetime of pain.
If I get in trouble for it, oh well.
Matthew 19:14
Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
Now you judge for yourself, who should I obey. You? Or God?
Now that scenario was just over children having sex, murder for research is even worse.
Now I hear what you're saying about wanting to be in control of your kids education, and not wanting them indoctrinated. This is a noble sentiment that I understand full well. My kids are ages 8, 10, and 12.
I also know what I was indoctrinated with on the bus at age 5.
I cannot disagree more that sitting there and saying nothing is the right thing to do.
I would encourage you to have the courage to do the right thing, and stand up for what is good, and speak out against evil when the time comes.
BS! We just had a friggin election and national debate upon stem cell issues. She had to know it was a controversial issue. So, we have two choices. We can believe she knew she would cause trouble or we can believe that she's a moron who somehow missed that issue being discussed over the last year.
So we should fire conservatives because that would be effective but we shouldn't fire liberals because that would be ineffective? Yeah, sure, that makes a lot of sense.
It makes a lot of sense if you can comprehend the written word. I said that people who DELIBERATELY use these issues to persuade children should be fired. Many liberals do this and I acknowledged that. Many liberals also do it unconsciously. Punishing someone for something they don't even realize they are doing is ineffective as a deterrent. However, I even stated that it wouldn't bother me if they were fired anyway.
FIRE a few Liberals and they will begin to get it. The teachers who take their place will tread more lightly.
No, they won't. I've already explained why. We've protested aganist liberal media for years. Do they get it yet?
As I said on a previous post to you, I grow weary of conservatives (and that means YOU) who are harder on their own than on the enemy.
Yup! Absolutely! I have standards. I expect liberals to be hypocritical idiots. I expect conservatives to be better than that. Sorry if you can't measure up.
Will you stop your self-righteous foot stomping for just a moment and try to grasp the following FACT?
It doesn't matter if what she said was true. It is irrelevant. As you have been told numerous times, there are many facts in the universe that parents do not wish their children to know until they decide their children are ready to know them.
**I get to make that decision because I am the parent. I know my children better than any person they have ever encountered driving a school bus. Her job is to transport children to and from school. It is not her job to discuss with children issues that parents would rather their children not know about. Do you get it yet?
My first encounter with you was in post #348, where you said you didn't think I'd read the article.
I read the article. I agree that Mrs. Thompson's actions don't constitute "a firing offense" but I also don't think that the discussion was appropriate with small children.
I'm not sure where you think I showed intellectual dishonesty or a false argument but you're welcome to point it out.
It's impossible to explain the difference between adult stem cells and embryonic stem cells without getting into issues of conception and abortion.
These issues are best left for parents to explain to small children, at a time and in a way the parents feel is appropriate for the child's age and maturity level.
Some of the older children on the bus may have been aware of these issues. Some of the younger ones probably were not.
I can't tell if you are being disingenuous when you claim not to know why this discussion was inappropriate. If you truly can't figure this out for yourself, I'm not sure you really should be in charge of small children anyway.
Well, that's what I said - they wouldn't understand it without including some information best imparted by parents.
Anyway, to get back to it- my statement about intellectual dishonesty was referring to #356. I'm sorry if you misunderstood.
That could be because you didn't address your comment to the author of #356?
There was a time, and still is fortunately in some rare communities, where the adults imparted knowledge to the children of the community. Nowadays, God forbid anyone should say anything to anyone for fear of PC police or what have you.
As a teacher, I certainly have no objection to adults imparting knowledge, with 2 caveats:
1. The knowledge imparted should be age-appropriate, and
2. The knowledge imparted should be consistent with prevailing community standards.*
*This includes both "liberal" and "conservative" information.
"She had to know it was a controversial issue."
Unlike you, Mrs. Mayor does not let the leftist establishment set the rules for debate and allow them to define what or what is not controversial.
Stem cell research is controversial only in the flawed and disturbed minds of those who who would exploit the most vulnerable for their sick ends.
Thanks for your bravery Mrs. Mayor
Sometimes there are situations where possible motivations are limited to two choices, this isn't one of them. Mrs. Mayor was enthusiastic about the information she learned while listening to Mel Gibson (I also heard that interview) and wanted to disseminate the information. I think it is clear from her posts. Not only are you accusing her of trying to cause trouble, but you are also calling her AND HER HUSBAND a liar, tactics so typical of the left when they are dealing with conservatives. YOU are THE hypocrite.
"It makes a lot of sense if you can comprehend the written word. I said that people who DELIBERATELY use these issues to persuade children should be fired. Many liberals do this and I acknowledged that. Many liberals also do it unconsciously. Punishing someone for something they don't even realize they are doing is ineffective as a deterrent."
Sorry, your thinking about the above issue is disordered and your comments about that make NO rational sense. If someone is doing something UNCONSCIOUSLY, and they are then penalized for that behavior, they will become conscious of it REAL fast. As a society we GENERALLY don't choose to punish people or not based on whether or not they are conscious of their actions. And how are we to accurately determine if liberals are doing it consciously or unconsciously? Either everyone gets reprimanded or penalized for indoctrinating our children or no one does.
The old media, who had ALL the power, was rarely if ever held accountable for their transgressions, one reason they never got it. Fire liberals for indoctrinating our children and hit them in the pocketbook where it hurts and they will begin to get it.
"Yup! Absolutely! I have standards. I expect liberals to be hypocritical idiots. I expect conservatives to be better than that. Sorry if you can't measure up"
No, actually you don't expect liberals to live up to any standards but you expect conservatives to live up to the highest of standards, another liberal tactic.
What Mrs. Mayor did does not even closely approximate the effects of liberal teachers in the classroom, who day in and day out, year after year, are instructing children in a captive environment, and blackmail them with grades. The children on that bus were not obligated to listen to Mrs. Mayor and she had no authority to require that they listen, neither could she hold grades over their heads. They could have talked to one another, read, played games and probably many of them were doing just that. No indoctrination there. But you would have HER FIRED and not the liberal who does far worse, day after day, year after year. No, I don't go for THAT kind of double standard well established by liberals for conservatives long ago and neither should you, hypocrite.
And BTW, liberals should be held to the same high standards that conservatives are held to whether you expect them to fail or not. Just as minorities shouldn't get a pass because they are part of a minority group, liberals shouldn't get a pass because they are liberals. I have never given them such a pass. YOU apparently do.
Yup...educating children. Sure, you were.
Exodus 20:16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
Just a FRiendly reminder. ;-P
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