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Economic reality check
townhall.com ^ | 12/02/04 | Larry Kudlow

Posted on 12/02/2004 12:14:59 AM PST by kattracks

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1 posted on 12/02/2004 12:14:59 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks

Bush needs to cut spending or the economy will collapse.

Give me a $3 trillion credit line on VISA and I could throw a hell of a party too.

The only way to ensure we stay strong over the long run is to reduce the size of government and dramatically reduce federal spending.


2 posted on 12/02/2004 12:17:47 AM PST by Capitalism2003
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To: Capitalism2003

It's not a complicated principle. If you splurge on credit cards your budget will look phenomenal for a while, until the payments come due.. The same may very well be happening with the national economy. We shall see.


3 posted on 12/02/2004 12:21:08 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: kattracks
I won't be happy until the economy is growing faster than the government. But Larry sure does earn his pompoms in the meantime.
4 posted on 12/02/2004 12:25:17 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: Capitalism2003
...the economy will collapse.

wouldn't bet on it.

And, if you were sitting on top of the economic engine that made that 3 trillion dollars possible, you wouldn't have time to party.

I'm all for smaller government. I just disagree with the popular misnomers that accompany national budget and debt discussions.

5 posted on 12/02/2004 12:25:49 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: Capitalism2003
We are not charging on credit cards but giving the rest of the world IOUs. When the IOUs come due what do they get? Gold or silver? Nope, they get more IOUs or they can buy American products or assets.

We can't let it get completely out of hand or there will be a panic at some point and the value of our IOUs and our fiduciary currency will collapse but we are far far from that point.
6 posted on 12/02/2004 12:27:15 AM PST by Reaganez
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To: the invisib1e hand
And, if you were sitting on top of the economic engine that made that 3 trillion dollars possible, you wouldn't have time to party.

If the government can't make better use of the money than the people who earned it, it has no right to it nor will it help the economy, regardless of the size of the economic engine.

7 posted on 12/02/2004 12:36:06 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: Moonman62
If the government can't make better use of the money than the people who earned it, it has no right to it nor will it help the economy, regardless of the size of the economic engine.

I must have failed to make my point. I'll try again. A discussion about spending that does not take into account GDP is really not balanced.

8 posted on 12/02/2004 12:53:44 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: Capitalism2003

Bush has spent, and largely because of terrorism.
But lets be realistic. Bush's spending is well under the point where it becomes a concern, well within safe percentage margins of GNP. And it is needed spending, National security and improvements in our military hardware. Tell the people building abrams if Bush should cut spending. Lets keep in mind that lots of this spending is within country, and giving a needed boost to manufacturing, which will give them capitol to reinvest come more peacefull times. Meanwhile more people are employed, and spending money, which causes more demand, and more business creation, which is permanent.
People are concerned about a lower dollar? It has huge benifit as well. It makes our products more competitive with those produced in countries that have labor cost advantages, and unvalued currencies, like China. Europe's Lefties were all smug that their Euro was climbing. They just don't get it, that it makes them LESS competitive. Their socialist economy is in big trouble because they can't compete. China is a big worry to them, as is a competitive USA. It's forcing demand that China increase their yen value, which is even better for us, making us even more competitive.
overall, our economy looks good, and with better things ahead. It looks like we are going to spend our way through what should be a down cycle. With oil falling, thats icing on the cake.


9 posted on 12/02/2004 12:54:11 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: the invisib1e hand

Correct. When debating the size of government one needs to consider size of government as a percentage of GDP not in absolute terms.

Although I wouldn't shed a tear of government was actually reduced in absolute dollars.


10 posted on 12/02/2004 12:55:52 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: Moonman62; Reaganez; kattracks; All

A good article to share with you:

http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2004/Caplanidea.html

or (better):

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/ideatrap.pdf


11 posted on 12/02/2004 12:59:24 AM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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To: Nathan Zachary
With oil falling, thats icing on the cake.

unless you're the ozone layer. it was a joke

12 posted on 12/02/2004 1:04:34 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: Capitalism2003

"Bush needs to cut spending or the economy will collapse."

Nah - go back and check the math. As long as GDP grows faster than our total debt (measured as a percentage of GDP), we can run deficits forever -- and actually decrease our debt as a percentage of GDP.

This is sustainable growth while controlling inflation.

Think our deficit is out of control? Go to the CIA world factbook, and compare our Total-Debt-to-GDP ratio. We're doing pretty good compared to the rest of the world.

The "crisis" is just another media-fabricated frenzy, intended to sell ads for the nightly news.


13 posted on 12/02/2004 1:18:29 AM PST by Mudcat
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To: the invisib1e hand

I understand your point perfectly clear. You're saying it's perfectly OK for the government to spend our money as long as we can afford it. You probably wouldn't say that if a Rat was in the WH.


14 posted on 12/02/2004 1:33:53 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: Mudcat; remember
Nah - go back and check the math. As long as GDP grows faster than our total debt (measured as a percentage of GDP), we can run deficits forever -- and actually decrease our debt as a percentage of GDP.

Is that what's happening now? The government is growing faster than the economy without a doubt.

Maybe our economy won't face a crisis for now, but affordability doesn't justify the current level of government spending.

15 posted on 12/02/2004 1:43:43 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: alessandrofiaschi

Nice article, but I'm still trying to figure out how the big government policies LBJ and FDR got back in the White House after the good ideas of Reagan.


16 posted on 12/02/2004 1:45:21 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: kattracks

"President Bush's pro-growth fiscal policies will restrain spending and reduce tax rates"

I think Bush's pro-growth fiscal policies will increase revenues, but only Congress will restrain spending.

Congress needs to reduce spending. Just because you have a lot of revenue, does not mean you have to spend it. Bush needs to veto a few bills, like the Omnibus Spending Bills that just are packed with pork...send them back to Congress and tell them they need an emergency "pork-otomy"


17 posted on 12/02/2004 2:05:58 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: Nathan Zachary
Bush has spent, and largely because of terrorism. But lets be realistic. Bush's spending is well under the point where it becomes a concern, well within safe percentage margins of GNP.

The implications of the alternative are far worse. We may as well enjoy the ride and continue to target and remove irresponsible congressmen and senators at each election.

18 posted on 12/02/2004 2:40:01 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: kattracks

It appears that "Voodoo economics" is working again. The economic policy of the 80s that brought us the prosperity of the 90s that Clinton managed to dismantle looks like it will bring us another good economic era. Now let's just keep the Rats from undoing what takes a number of years to get going good and strong.


19 posted on 12/02/2004 3:49:09 AM PST by MadAnthony1776
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To: Moonman62

Which anti-big government policies did Reagan implement? He had lots of great ideas for shrinking government but unfortunately he was never able to do much.


20 posted on 12/02/2004 3:50:58 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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